What Routes do you wish AC flew?
Aug 16, 2019, 10:57 pm
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Aug 17, 2019, 4:59 am
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Fair enough. I'd be more than happy if I were wrong. 
But IMO those are two very different routes / markets:
1) The ecoomic feasibility of a 5300-6000 miles flight is very different from an ULH flight of ~8000 miles
2) There are only a handful of flights between Asia and South Africa (and if you exclude mainland Chinese airlines, options are really rather limited), so capacity growth isn't overly surprising. Compare that to North America - South Africa which literally has many dozen routing options on more than a dozen airlines.
3) This isnt about whether there is sufficient demand (there certainly is), but whether there are sufficient pax willing to pay a premium for a non-stop flight / whether there's a business case for AC to fly to JNB/CPT non-stop vs. just feeding pax to SA via its TATL JV partners
But I'd be very happy if AC found a way to make that route work.
But IMO those are two very different routes / markets:
1) The ecoomic feasibility of a 5300-6000 miles flight is very different from an ULH flight of ~8000 miles
2) There are only a handful of flights between Asia and South Africa (and if you exclude mainland Chinese airlines, options are really rather limited), so capacity growth isn't overly surprising. Compare that to North America - South Africa which literally has many dozen routing options on more than a dozen airlines.
3) This isnt about whether there is sufficient demand (there certainly is), but whether there are sufficient pax willing to pay a premium for a non-stop flight / whether there's a business case for AC to fly to JNB/CPT non-stop vs. just feeding pax to SA via its TATL JV partners
But I'd be very happy if AC found a way to make that route work.
They can do a refuelling stop in Barbados and save money on not having to burn fuel to fly fuel
Aug 17, 2019, 5:32 am
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I could see a strategically timed cross connect at GRU from YYZ & YVR with one aircraft continuing on to EZE. I know they've tinkered the possibility of EZE being served out of GRU instead of SCL. Believe CP did that at one time.
Aug 17, 2019, 5:33 am
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I'd like to see AC fly to South Africa. There's something about South Africa to me that's so interesting, going there early next year, but even just the flights are interesting. Like SAA flies a few flights from the US, UA is doing this short term CPT flight. Is there any reason AC couldn't fly YYZ-JNB? AC over the last few years have really made a push to lure US based passengers to connect in Toronto, often with ridiculous fares, why not this one? Connect in Toronto instead of London/Zurich/Paris/Doha/Dubai? All new AC routes intrigue me in at least some way or another. I'd also love to see them keep YVR-ZRH and YVR-CDG as year round flights.
Lastly, and my god, I've been pining for this one forever. PLEASEEEEE either Copa or AC, YVR-PTY come on. Pretty much anyone wanting to go to Central or South America from YVR has to go through Houston, not an issue for ME, but it is an issue for people on a variety of passports. Not only that, but I think it'd be good competition for AM who has positioned themselves nicely at YVR over the last year or two. It pushes the range listed on wikipedia pretty well, but this is exactly the kind of route I'd like to see opened up by the MAX aircrafts. Don't need another YVR-YYZ flight, I'd love to see someone fly YVR-YHZ, but it doesn't really apply to me much either. PTY is a great destination, its an even better airport to connect at requiring no tedious customs line like MEX does. I can fly 1 stop YVR-MDE currently with AM, and it's a decent enough flight/product especially because it's often cheap. But I'd much rather stick with STAR and connect in Panama.
Lastly, and my god, I've been pining for this one forever. PLEASEEEEE either Copa or AC, YVR-PTY come on. Pretty much anyone wanting to go to Central or South America from YVR has to go through Houston, not an issue for ME, but it is an issue for people on a variety of passports. Not only that, but I think it'd be good competition for AM who has positioned themselves nicely at YVR over the last year or two. It pushes the range listed on wikipedia pretty well, but this is exactly the kind of route I'd like to see opened up by the MAX aircrafts. Don't need another YVR-YYZ flight, I'd love to see someone fly YVR-YHZ, but it doesn't really apply to me much either. PTY is a great destination, its an even better airport to connect at requiring no tedious customs line like MEX does. I can fly 1 stop YVR-MDE currently with AM, and it's a decent enough flight/product especially because it's often cheap. But I'd much rather stick with STAR and connect in Panama.
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Aug 17, 2019, 7:26 am
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I'd like to see AC fly to South Africa. There's something about South Africa to me that's so interesting, going there early next year, but even just the flights are interesting. Like SAA flies a few flights from the US, UA is doing this short term CPT flight. Is there any reason AC couldn't fly YYZ-JNB? AC over the last few years have really made a push to lure US based passengers to connect in Toronto, often with ridiculous fares, why not this one? Connect in Toronto instead of London/Zurich/Paris/Doha/Dubai? All new AC routes intrigue me in at least some way or another.
If fuel is a problem they can do a refuel stop over West Africa or Barbados or a new destination like port of Spain
Aug 17, 2019, 8:09 am
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YYZ-ZAG for sure. Rouge is going pretty good but product is mediocre. B789 would be ideal because of similar Y and O capacity, with the benefit of J to attract business travelers/high income earners. If the Transat acquisition happens, that’ll be 6-7 weekly AC managed flights in the summer. They could match that, hell, even reduce to 5-6 times weekly to manage capacity in the summer. In the winter they could start off with 3-4 times weekly and see how it goes.
Only question is filling J. There are a lot of well-off Croatians in YYZ though (as well as the reverse, being well-off Canadians in ZAG) who would be willing to pay low P/Z prices, and businesses to use flight passes or pay last-minute full J. Still would not be more than 75% full. Well, at least there’s more E-upgrade space 😄
Only question is filling J. There are a lot of well-off Croatians in YYZ though (as well as the reverse, being well-off Canadians in ZAG) who would be willing to pay low P/Z prices, and businesses to use flight passes or pay last-minute full J. Still would not be more than 75% full. Well, at least there’s more E-upgrade space 😄
Aug 17, 2019, 8:29 am
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Aug 17, 2019, 8:35 am
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I'd like to see AC fly to South Africa. There's something about South Africa to me that's so interesting, going there early next year, but even just the flights are interesting. Like SAA flies a few flights from the US, UA is doing this short term CPT flight. Is there any reason AC couldn't fly YYZ-JNB? AC over the last few years have really made a push to lure US based passengers to connect in Toronto, often with ridiculous fares, why not this one? Connect in Toronto instead of London/Zurich/Paris/Doha/Dubai? All new AC routes intrigue me in at least some way or another. I'd also love to see them keep YVR-ZRH and YVR-CDG as year round flights.
Aug 17, 2019, 9:36 am
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I’m usually 1 of 2 or 3 and it’s my favourite way home from EU, but it means a very early flight from wherever I am in EU.
Aug 17, 2019, 10:35 am
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Aug 17, 2019, 10:39 am
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Aug 17, 2019, 1:42 pm
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Sorry, I just want to make sure I understand you properly. Are you saying that no flights to or from LGA can be more than 1,500 miles?
I think I saw the slide on the A220 and it looked like YVR-LGA is being considered. Again, that would be awesome with the new LGA coming online and AirTrain connections. IMO, it'll beat JFK, but I would still take JFK over EWR.
I think I saw the slide on the A220 and it looked like YVR-LGA is being considered. Again, that would be awesome with the new LGA coming online and AirTrain connections. IMO, it'll beat JFK, but I would still take JFK over EWR.
But yes, I agree and YVR-LGA would be sweet. And I also agree that JFK would be better than EWR but with UA only operating out of EWR it is unlikely AC will opt for JFK any time soon.
Aug 17, 2019, 1:58 pm
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LH operated YYZ-DUS up until ~four years ago. And I think AC operated a (direct?) YYZ-DUS flight maybe ~20 years ago?
I'm sure there'd be sufficient demand to fill a once-daily 788 (or similar) DUS-YYZ/YYC, but at the same time I doubt it would increase revenues much given that pax can choose between up to six flights a day ex-FRA (plus flights from various other European hubs).
I'm sure there'd be sufficient demand to fill a once-daily 788 (or similar) DUS-YYZ/YYC, but at the same time I doubt it would increase revenues much given that pax can choose between up to six flights a day ex-FRA (plus flights from various other European hubs).
FWIW I completely agree, for purely selfish reasons: I mostly fly YVR-ZRH in the winter and the only non-stops are all seasonal summer-only (both Edelweiss and AC), and it pains me...
Because either I
-Fly through YYZ/YUL, risking getting snowed in
-Fly through LHR which I refuse to do because it's the worst
-Fly through LAX/SFO, which adds a ton of flight/travel time
-Fly through FRA/MUC, which is hardly ever economical
Because either I
-Fly through YYZ/YUL, risking getting snowed in
-Fly through LHR which I refuse to do because it's the worst
-Fly through LAX/SFO, which adds a ton of flight/travel time
-Fly through FRA/MUC, which is hardly ever economical
My baggage misses the connection about 1/3-1/2 of the time I connect there. I gave up on it after they lost it altogether one time. Purely my personal experience, but I try to avoid flying through it at all costs.
(I currently do the YVR-SFO/LAX-ZRH routing because while it takes longer, it has the least risk of something going wrong.)
(I currently do the YVR-SFO/LAX-ZRH routing because while it takes longer, it has the least risk of something going wrong.)
The last 2 years I connected in YUL and YYZ in the winter and never had any significant weather related delays (I do about 1-2 rts per month). BUt maybe I was just lucky.