ksm06

Good point, I'll chalk it up to a lesson learned and to ask more directly in a polite way. Thanks for the quick reply and next time if something is strange I'll try to document more.

VoodooYYC

Did you notice any captains in J when you boarded? My first guess would be the 2 names added were pilots, who have priority J seating over e-ups. Perhaps they were a late add to the manifest...

Stranger

Deadheading captains. Or J positive AC employees.

canadiancow

I've seen J-entitled employees before. They appear on the list, with checkmarks. They count towards a "full cabin".

Unless two were added right at the last minute, but why would it be done like that?

ksm06

I didn't notice any pilots but I wasn't actively looking for them nor when I boarded and walked through but only 2/3rds of J was boarded at that point - as I wasn't even next on the list I figured to board and get my bin space.

Stranger

Same as dead heading captains. Because they showed up at the last minute.

Premiere Elite - YEG

Since the route switched to the Embraer my upgrade success has dropped from never missing to 50/50 at peak times. Whether I’m upgraded or not that cabin seats plenty of transitioning crew.

canadiancow

If you're seeing FAs or FOs in J while you're on the upgrade list, there's a problem.

If you're seeing captains, that's annoying (for you), but working as intended.

172pilot

I just boarded AC413 YUL-YYZ. J is full. There is a captain in J but there is also an FA. There is also one name still on the upgrade list. That name is also on the standby list so most likely a non-rev. It appears to be working properly.

jazzsax

I'm assuming if you see a non-rev crew member in J, in uniform that got an U/G ahead of people on the list, it's probably due to positioning and crewing needs, or at least I would *hope* it is.

rehoult

Yes, that would be the typical reason. Those flying for personal reasons that have J rights, show up on the list below upgrades (and on both J & Y lists, which is how to spot them).

canadiancow

It seems we're wrong about what double-listing can mean.

I'm booked on AC 423 YUL-YYZ today, waitlisted for an upgrade. I am number 1 on the list.

However, I wanted to stand by for 421. I called the concierge, because I wanted to make sure I could clear into J. She seemed to think the upgrade request would follow the standby, and after putting me on standby, confirmed that it did.

I'm #2 for J and #1 for Y.

Speculating, #1 for J is a revenue passenger confirmed on the flight in Y, so would be above me (but there's positive R space, so that would be weird).

#3 and #4 for J are at the top of Y, right under me. I would guess that they're higher-up employees who are entitled to J travel. Or maybe they're in the same situation as I am.

However, this is definitely interesting, as it means revenue passengers can show up on both lists.

MaxFlying

Why would this be weird?

SparseFlyer

Makes sense. Basically "standing by for Y but entitled to J" like an employee?

Did you request to be put on the flight even if you were in Y though? Cause I feel like this means you could potentially clear in Y but not J.

Also, are you on a lat fp?

canadiancow

Because if there's R space on your flight, you can confirm the upgrade

I made no such requests. I'm not even sure my inbound will arrive in time to make 421. If it was valid MCT, I would have just booked it that way. But I can't wait until I land in YUL, because the flight will have closed already.

I regularly go on standby for flights I have no clue if I'll make. Just a couple weeks ago, I was booked on 759, on standby for 739. I was downtown Toronto until after 739 departed.

This is a Flex booking for EYW. Real J standby doesn't show on both lists, and I suspect the priority is higher (though my position could be based on "SE J standby", which would be the same either way).

I like how we begged for the priority order to be disclosed, and were so grateful when it was, but it's missing so much information for situations like this