Air Canada Throwback Thursday
May 22, 2020, 1:22 pm
#91
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Seats in most intercontinental jets such as the DC8,707,VC10 etc. were definitely wider than the 18-20" seats of today. The overhead bins were smaller, but back in the day people weren't trying to bring their whole wardrobe and the kitchen sink into the passenger cabin like today so smaller bins were not a major issue..
May 22, 2020, 1:34 pm
#92
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The overhead bins were smaller, but back in the day people weren't trying to bring their whole wardrobe and the kitchen sink into the passenger cabin like today so smaller bins were not a major issue..
May 22, 2020, 3:32 pm
#93
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The 707 was the same width as the 737 is today (and 757), and I think the DC-8 was about the same. Was AC doing 5-across seating at that time? That's the only way it would work to have wider seating, just looking at basic math.
But didn't you also walk out of the plane and pick up your baggage there? Contrast that to today when one might have to arrive at the airport significantly earlier to drop off baggage, risk bags misconnecting (and eliminate possibilities for SDC etc), and have a lengthy wait for bags at the other end.
But didn't you also walk out of the plane and pick up your baggage there? Contrast that to today when one might have to arrive at the airport significantly earlier to drop off baggage, risk bags misconnecting (and eliminate possibilities for SDC etc), and have a lengthy wait for bags at the other end.
as far as luggage....its like today...checked bags were dropped at curbside( if available) or at the checkin counter when you checked-in and got your boarding pass. Upon arrival you got your checked luggage at the luggage hall just like today. Of course in those days every bag was weighed. Did bags misconnect or go missing in those days...of course. No different than today.
May 22, 2020, 3:47 pm
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you are correct...the cabin widths of the DC8, 707 and 737 are virtually the same. I've just tried to find actual seat widths on the older aircraft. As best as I can tell they are virtually the same as today. The big difference is in padding, much much thicker than today...and far more comfortable and seat pitch....seems like it was 34-38 inches in economy depending on the airline.
as far as luggage....its like today...checked bags were dropped at curbside( if available) or at the checkin counter when you checked-in and got your boarding pass. Upon arrival you got your checked luggage at the luggage hall just like today. Of course in those days every bag was weighed. Did bags misconnect or go missing in those days...of course. No different than today.
But I suspect the rate of misconnect was likely less. First because more point-to-point, and second, because the business was slower and more fancy. And typically luggage would take less time to show up.
May 22, 2020, 6:02 pm
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Apparently they were the same on all three Boeing, 148 in fuselage with, about 140 in cabin width. The DC-8 appears to have been one inch narrower.
Worked as of today, correct. As to weighing, definitely they were at least in those parts of the world where the rules were weight-based. Not sure in North America where rules were piece-based.
But I suspect the rate of misconnect was likely less. First because more point-to-point, and second, because the business was slower and more fancy. And typically luggage would take less time to show up.
Worked as of today, correct. As to weighing, definitely they were at least in those parts of the world where the rules were weight-based. Not sure in North America where rules were piece-based.
But I suspect the rate of misconnect was likely less. First because more point-to-point, and second, because the business was slower and more fancy. And typically luggage would take less time to show up.
May 22, 2020, 7:14 pm
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i do remember, every time we checked in for a flight the checked bags were weighed, here in Canada,in the US and in London and Rome. South America too. Weight was very critical in those days for both weight and balance and for fuel calculations. Plus those turbojets did not have the kind f thrust and power that modern engines have.
I do remember in Europe and south America, where luggage rules were weight based. I neverflew in North America in the seventies, so no direct experience. :-)
But sure, I believe you.
May 28, 2020, 2:52 pm
#98
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Nice shot! Although it might be more appropriate to post in the CP thread.
And Yes, I am kidding.
But now you've got me trying to figure out the livery of those DC-3s (I think) in the background.
And Yes, I am kidding.
But now you've got me trying to figure out the livery of those DC-3s (I think) in the background.
Sep 17, 2020, 3:18 pm
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Sep 24, 2020, 7:21 pm
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Anyone have any old timetables? I'm curious what aircraft type would have been operating YYC-LHR back in 1999.