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Old Jan 7, 2016, 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by YEG USER
Why wouldn't the new airline fly YHM-YXX?
You're pushing the endurance limits of the 734 with that route.


Originally Posted by zoobtoob
No results in IATA or ICAO documents.
Would they get Flair's F8 and FLE?
Doing a dummy booking, F8 is the code that shows up.



YXE looks like it could be used for connections to/from eastern/western Canada. However the website only sells non stops.
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 9:28 am
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This will have a greater impact on WS than AC. WS's customers are much more price-sensitive. (Any coincidence a big one-day seat sale was launched today by WS?)
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 2:28 pm
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Originally Posted by yul36
If in fact the fees are per seg, that means your bag just became a 50$ bag instead of a 25$ one assuming you had to change planes. . Since going to YHZ might mean a cnx in YHM check out the language on missed connections. They absolve themselves of any responsibility. In theory you might have to buy a whole new ticket, because they were late and you misconnected. There is absoutly no irpops protection. They do have a kind of insurance protection that allows you a limited number of free flight changes.
I can't imagine it would even be legal to do that.

It's one thing to not provide a hotel for a weather-induced overnight. It's quite another to say "You missed your flight, so you have to buy a new ticket."
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 4:35 pm
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So, does anyone want to start a betting pool for how quickly this airline fails?
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 6:11 pm
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I already put $50 on they don't make 6 months at work
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 7:09 pm
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1 significant mechanical will throw their schedule into chaos a la Sky Greece. At least Customers will not be stranded an Ocean away. Agreed, that however long their reign may be, Westjet will be more impacted albeit minimally.
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 7:48 pm
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Originally Posted by yyz_atc_qq
I already put $50 on they don't make 6 months at work
Anyne starting in February should make it longer than that.
Six months take them to mid August.
Late September, however, and each week gets tougher.
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 8:55 pm
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WS just loaded a bunch of fares competing to YVR/YYZ for the same prices.

~$210 all-in for YQR/YXE-YYZ.

AC can't be far behind.
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 9:08 pm
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Originally Posted by pitz
WS just loaded a bunch of fares competing to YVR/YYZ for the same prices.

~$210 all-in for YQR/YXE-YYZ.

AC can't be far behind.
YYZ-YHZ is now $98 on WS on Fridays and Mondays starting in February (same days that NewLeaf operates YHM-YHZ). Minimum $174 on all other days.
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 9:42 pm
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Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD
1 significant mechanical will throw their schedule into chaos a la Sky Greece. At least Customers will not be stranded an Ocean away. Agreed, that however long their reign may be, Westjet will be more impacted albeit minimally.
Can't Flair Air sub in other aircraft?
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 10:27 pm
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Originally Posted by JamilD
YYZ-YHZ is now $98 on WS on Fridays and Mondays starting in February (same days that NewLeaf operates YHM-YHZ). Minimum $174 on all other days.
Can someone post a link to the FT thread about WS' predatory pricing to drown out a competitor in the aviation Marketplace
Thought only AC did that.
Who knew!?

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Old Jan 8, 2016, 6:11 am
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Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD
1 significant mechanical will throw their schedule into chaos a la Sky Greece. At least Customers will not be stranded an Ocean away. Agreed, that however long their reign may be, Westjet will be more impacted albeit minimally.
The new airline motto should be "on a wing and a prayer"

It is irresponsible to craft a schedule with no flexibility due to IRROPS. Yes aircraft do break down.

Note to self: stay away from this airline.
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Old Jan 8, 2016, 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by airbus320
It is irresponsible to craft a schedule with no flexibility due to IRROPS. Yes aircraft do break down.
There seems to be some myth that mainline carriers can handle this dramatically better. Likely yes, if you're at a hub, but I've had long waits when, for example, EWR-YVR has gone mechanical. There isn't a 319 lying around in EWR that AC can magically sub in. You wait and wait and wait while AC fixes the 319 on the ground...

I do however think that new airlines should be required to put a couple million dollars in escrow to fund getting their passengers home when they go spontaneously bankrupt, stranding Granny in Hamilton.

Once they've operated successfully for five years they can have the money back. Bonus is the couple million will probably have earned a better ROI than the airline.

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Old Jan 8, 2016, 7:17 am
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Originally Posted by CrownRoyalForever
I always wondered why no one flies BUF-BLI that wouldn't end up printing money. YVR-YYZ is a racket.
With the current exchange rate what it is, BLI is suffering a passenger downturn.

The fam-damly just booked tickets from Vancouver to Southern California. We were surprised it was the same cost to fly out of YVR as it was to fly from BLI.
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Old Jan 8, 2016, 7:23 am
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Originally Posted by WesternCDN
although leaving from YXX instead of YVR is a bit out of the way
For a lot of Metro Vancouver, it's not.

For example, for many of my friends in Surrey, time-wise YXX is as convenient as YVR - And in some cases it's more convenient (as is BLI for that matter, if you have Nexus).

If you're in somewhere like Maple Ridge YXX is very handy, provided you don't mind paying the toll on the Golden Ears bridge (and the much cheaper parking at YXX mitigates the toll anyway).
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