Dec 2, 2014, 11:30 pm
Last edit by: tcook052
As of 2nd Dec. 2014 you can now request eUpgrades to Premium Economy on eligible flights operated by Air Canada, as well as to the Premium rouge cabin on eligible Air Canada rouge flights. To request an upgrade, simply log in to your eUpgrade account and select to which cabin you’d like to upgrade to, or speak with an Air Canada reservation or airport agent.
Note that should you wish to upgrade one segment of an itinerary into Business Class, and another segment into Premium Economy, you will need to make two separate upgrade requests and the requirements for these two requests will be assessed separately.
For eUpgrade requests into Business Class, you will also now have the ability to sit in the Premium Economy cabin, depending on availability, should your original request for an upgrade to Business Class not clear at time of departure.
Add-ons will not apply for eUpgrades into Premium Economy.
For more information, including credit requirements, visit http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/141202.html
Note that should you wish to upgrade one segment of an itinerary into Business Class, and another segment into Premium Economy, you will need to make two separate upgrade requests and the requirements for these two requests will be assessed separately.
For eUpgrade requests into Business Class, you will also now have the ability to sit in the Premium Economy cabin, depending on availability, should your original request for an upgrade to Business Class not clear at time of departure.
Add-ons will not apply for eUpgrades into Premium Economy.
For more information, including credit requirements, visit http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/141202.html
New upgrades to Premium Economy
Dec 3, 2014, 7:41 pm
#91
Join Date: Mar 2014
Programs: AC SE100k, Marriott Titanium, UA Silver
Posts: 2,648
Thank you to The Lev. You made my day.
In all seriousness and following on the same idea:
Given that: one needs to be in Flex to upgrade, and the current difference in price between Flex and PY being not significant,
Most SE's either buy PY to be higher up on the eUp list OR as The Lev stated wasting eUPs for up-ing to PY, that monetarily isn't much more than Flex, would have purchased PY in the first place if that's where they wanted to sit... So, the majority of SE's would eUp to J from either Y or PY with very few actually preferring PY as a second choice.
Those who will tend to eUp to PY are the lower tier members who don't want to co-pay and already know their chances of actually making it to J on eUps equivalent to getting a lap-dance from the lounge attendant (slim to none).
So regardless what the planned method is, either the situation described by The Lev, or the situation our Bovine friend is making popcorn for would occur.
Result, its impossible to please everyone, but this solution seems to have the fewest potential worse case scenarios...
Does that make sense?
In all seriousness and following on the same idea:
Given that: one needs to be in Flex to upgrade, and the current difference in price between Flex and PY being not significant,
Most SE's either buy PY to be higher up on the eUp list OR as The Lev stated wasting eUPs for up-ing to PY, that monetarily isn't much more than Flex, would have purchased PY in the first place if that's where they wanted to sit... So, the majority of SE's would eUp to J from either Y or PY with very few actually preferring PY as a second choice.
Those who will tend to eUp to PY are the lower tier members who don't want to co-pay and already know their chances of actually making it to J on eUps equivalent to getting a lap-dance from the lounge attendant (slim to none).
So regardless what the planned method is, either the situation described by The Lev, or the situation our Bovine friend is making popcorn for would occur.
Result, its impossible to please everyone, but this solution seems to have the fewest potential worse case scenarios...
Does that make sense?
I agree. Internationally:
I think a lot of SE's will buy PY and try to eup from there without the copay.
Whereas non-SE will spend their eups on PY or domestic J as there is no copay.
Dec 3, 2014, 7:47 pm
#92
Flying Blue Director
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: CDG/AMS
Posts: 1,864
Thanks.
One clarification - what is "the cabin"? Is it the fare purchased, or the current seat location?
Concrete example - if I purchased a Y fare, but then used an eupgrade to get into PY ... would I now be a higher priority for an oversell op-up, than an SEMM who was still sitting in Y? Or does the fact that I'm now sitting in PY not change my priority, because the fare I purchased was Y?
One clarification - what is "the cabin"? Is it the fare purchased, or the current seat location?
Concrete example - if I purchased a Y fare, but then used an eupgrade to get into PY ... would I now be a higher priority for an oversell op-up, than an SEMM who was still sitting in Y? Or does the fact that I'm now sitting in PY not change my priority, because the fare I purchased was Y?
Dec 3, 2014, 8:20 pm
#93
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: YYC
Posts: 4,035
1) A P25 in PE would have priority over MMSE in Y on the OpUp to J.
2) Therefore a Y->J would only occur if there is more need for OpUps to J than there are status holders in the PE cabin.
3) After OpUps to J are processed, the system would then process OpUps from Y to PE as required.
Dec 3, 2014, 8:52 pm
#94
Join Date: May 2007
Location: YYZ, but my heart is in Asia
Programs: AC-SE, CX-DM, DL-G, Hyatt-DM, Hilton-DM, Fairmont-Plt, Marriott-S, Accor-Plt, SPG-G, IHG-Plt
Posts: 4,396
This is making my head spin...
Maybe this is by design. AC wants to push people (and they've successfully pushed me) to forget about the upgrade game and just buy business class fare.
SE means very little to me nowadays. Besides the access to concierges, there is no real perk of being an SE. I don't even eat the AC crappy meal so meal order is useless. And an SE sitting in J doesn't even get any edge over non-status J pax Priority boarding means nothing to me. And SE doesn't get priority baggage handling like other airlines with F. Our bags would come out "priority" but that is about half the plane.
Maybe this is by design. AC wants to push people (and they've successfully pushed me) to forget about the upgrade game and just buy business class fare.
SE means very little to me nowadays. Besides the access to concierges, there is no real perk of being an SE. I don't even eat the AC crappy meal so meal order is useless. And an SE sitting in J doesn't even get any edge over non-status J pax Priority boarding means nothing to me. And SE doesn't get priority baggage handling like other airlines with F. Our bags would come out "priority" but that is about half the plane.
Dec 3, 2014, 11:59 pm
#95
Suspended
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,153
This is making my head spin...
Maybe this is by design. AC wants to push people (and they've successfully pushed me) to forget about the upgrade game and just buy business class fare.
SE means very little to me nowadays. Besides the access to concierges, there is no real perk of being an SE. I don't even eat the AC crappy meal so meal order is useless. And an SE sitting in J doesn't even get any edge over non-status J pax Priority boarding means nothing to me. And SE doesn't get priority baggage handling like other airlines with F. Our bags would come out "priority" but that is about half the plane.
Maybe this is by design. AC wants to push people (and they've successfully pushed me) to forget about the upgrade game and just buy business class fare.
SE means very little to me nowadays. Besides the access to concierges, there is no real perk of being an SE. I don't even eat the AC crappy meal so meal order is useless. And an SE sitting in J doesn't even get any edge over non-status J pax Priority boarding means nothing to me. And SE doesn't get priority baggage handling like other airlines with F. Our bags would come out "priority" but that is about half the plane.
Dec 4, 2014, 7:37 am
#97
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 252
In theory this is the case. In reality many concierge's openly dismiss non-SE international J passengers such as myself.
On this issue of the eUps it seems quite ridiculous that AC doesn't have a button on the eUp request page asking people if they want to be put on the PY list if they do not get into J.
Why would AC not do this? Was there no thought put into this at all?
On this issue of the eUps it seems quite ridiculous that AC doesn't have a button on the eUp request page asking people if they want to be put on the PY list if they do not get into J.
Why would AC not do this? Was there no thought put into this at all?
Dec 4, 2014, 1:55 pm
#98
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC*SE 2MM, Asia Miles, SPG Gold (life), HH Gold, Golden Circle Jade
Posts: 1,068
Dec 4, 2014, 3:55 pm
#99
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ottawa
Programs: Cessna TTx Self-Fly
Posts: 2,982
Ever tried to use a concierge as a non SE? Assuming one can be located in the first place, my experience is that if the passenger is non SE the concierges don't want to help you.
Dec 4, 2014, 3:58 pm
#100
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ottawa
Programs: Cessna TTx Self-Fly
Posts: 2,982
This is making my head spin...
Maybe this is by design. AC wants to push people (and they've successfully pushed me) to forget about the upgrade game and just buy business class fare.
SE means very little to me nowadays. Besides the access to concierges, there is no real perk of being an SE. I don't even eat the AC crappy meal so meal order is useless. And an SE sitting in J doesn't even get any edge over non-status J pax Priority boarding means nothing to me. And SE doesn't get priority baggage handling like other airlines with F. Our bags would come out "priority" but that is about half the plane.
Maybe this is by design. AC wants to push people (and they've successfully pushed me) to forget about the upgrade game and just buy business class fare.
SE means very little to me nowadays. Besides the access to concierges, there is no real perk of being an SE. I don't even eat the AC crappy meal so meal order is useless. And an SE sitting in J doesn't even get any edge over non-status J pax Priority boarding means nothing to me. And SE doesn't get priority baggage handling like other airlines with F. Our bags would come out "priority" but that is about half the plane.
Dec 4, 2014, 4:17 pm
#101
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: YYZ, SFO
Programs: AS 100K, UA*S, IHG Plat, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond | Formerly: AC Super Elite
Posts: 2,476
Dec 4, 2014, 10:49 pm
#103
Suspended
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,153
Dec 5, 2014, 12:00 pm
#104
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Posts: 12,069
This is making my head spin...
Maybe this is by design. AC wants to push people (and they've successfully pushed me) to forget about the upgrade game and just buy business class fare.
SE means very little to me nowadays. Besides the access to concierges, there is no real perk of being an SE. I don't even eat the AC crappy meal so meal order is useless. And an SE sitting in J doesn't even get any edge over non-status J pax Priority boarding means nothing to me. And SE doesn't get priority baggage handling like other airlines with F. Our bags would come out "priority" but that is about half the plane.
Maybe this is by design. AC wants to push people (and they've successfully pushed me) to forget about the upgrade game and just buy business class fare.
SE means very little to me nowadays. Besides the access to concierges, there is no real perk of being an SE. I don't even eat the AC crappy meal so meal order is useless. And an SE sitting in J doesn't even get any edge over non-status J pax Priority boarding means nothing to me. And SE doesn't get priority baggage handling like other airlines with F. Our bags would come out "priority" but that is about half the plane.
Just bought a "latitude" regional pass as flex pass was not offering much in availability at 7 days out as flights I use are full.
SE does give me access to priority seats at n/c and priority boarding on Dash-100 flights where bin space is at a premium at this time of year.Have 49 dash flights to date,another 4 to go this year
I hope to use my SE benefits in February when I check in at YYZ(SE desk) for BGI with Mrs.acysb87 and extended family of 4
Jan 8, 2015, 4:01 pm
#105
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: YQB
Programs: AC MM E50, AF Flying Blue
Posts: 572
I thought Ben made it clear the upgrade from Y to PE would be automatic if the request for Y to J doesn't clear, but there's still space in PE after Y to PE requests cleared?
If that's the case, the likelihood of 18A still being available once the upgrade to PE is turned down is almost 0 in the days of packed/oversold intl flights and computer-placed GTE passengers.
If that's the case, the likelihood of 18A still being available once the upgrade to PE is turned down is almost 0 in the days of packed/oversold intl flights and computer-placed GTE passengers.
Has anybody experienced this situation so far?
Thanks,
R&F