AC says Elites "cheapen" their business class
Oct 26, 2014, 3:08 pm
#121
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We don't expect all of our J customers to be paying full J fares all the time but we do need the average fare to improve to justify the investments we are making. We have experimented with lower quality J products and you will now see us move toward a more uniform product across our fleet. We did not expect to get this changeover 100pct correct and are open to tweaks where they make sense.
Oct 26, 2014, 3:08 pm
#122
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Westjet seems to paint a very clear picture of what your spending means to them if you want to compare:
Seems like $10000 in spending would yield around $410 in cash value plus 1 Canadian trip and one international trip. But scam-charges don't count in the $10000, so maybe ~$12000 in 'real' money spent?
You have to get the CC for the other cool stuff though.
I wonder how that would compare to AC's FFP?
Seems like $10000 in spending would yield around $410 in cash value plus 1 Canadian trip and one international trip. But scam-charges don't count in the $10000, so maybe ~$12000 in 'real' money spent?
You have to get the CC for the other cool stuff though.
I wonder how that would compare to AC's FFP?
Incidentally 15 percent giveback is around the value I get from Marriott as well.
Oct 26, 2014, 3:12 pm
#123
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If you want to compare apples and apples you would have to strictly go by gift card values on the aeroan site. EUPs can't be monetized and don't found from a strict cash point of view. So i would say that $10,000 would get you into SE at the lowest point and translate into 200,000 AP miles. That would in turn translate to approximately $1400 in restaurant or store cards.
Incidentally 15 percent giveback is around the value I get from Marriott as well.
Incidentally 15 percent giveback is around the value I get from Marriott as well.
I'm just wondering what would be the best option for you in terms of cost:benefit.
Which program would you say is better for you? (unless you have no use for WJ due to flying patterns)
Oct 26, 2014, 3:18 pm
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I fly on upgrades, pay business class or book J on points.
Or I stay home or drive. so, Westhet doesn't give me anything I need because my flying is almost exclusively trans-ocean.
Oct 26, 2014, 3:22 pm
#125
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In this case it is irrelevant because I merely highlight what people remember. "Cheapening the product" and "Charity". Emphasized with a "for the record". Amongst a few choice words which ought to be on the auto delete program of any social media rep. That then endorsed by the big chief Ben S. assures everyone that little Ben didn't just make a slip up but actually and truly represents the company's thinking.
Oct 26, 2014, 3:54 pm
#126
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As someone pointed upthread, how many posts in the SQ, TG, CX sections ask about upgrades and the replies are posted by fellow FTers in such a manner? Softer words probably could have been used, but hey, FTers have been less than civil as well.
I've sent PMs to Ben L. and he's been nothing but kind, and has told me as much as he's allowed to.
So to both Bens, please continue to post here on FT. I may or may not be able to maintain SE status, but the engagement has certainly been informative and welcomed.
I've sent PMs to Ben L. and he's been nothing but kind, and has told me as much as he's allowed to.
So to both Bens, please continue to post here on FT. I may or may not be able to maintain SE status, but the engagement has certainly been informative and welcomed.
Oct 26, 2014, 4:33 pm
#127
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Huh? Isn't this soap box thread all about questioning the so called delusional decision?
Just book the metal of the airline you want to fly with after the AC gateway.. just because TG doesn't work with AC on fares to BKK in business class doesn't mean there aren't other solutions. Including fares now out of YVR for 4k tax included, one free stopover
Just book the metal of the airline you want to fly with after the AC gateway.. just because TG doesn't work with AC on fares to BKK in business class doesn't mean there aren't other solutions. Including fares now out of YVR for 4k tax included, one free stopover
Oct 26, 2014, 4:50 pm
#128
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I can't believe this thread is still going. Wow.
Starting to think it would be good of FT adopted something akin to TSX/Dow trading halt when things start to melt down so that some people can cool off on the emotions and start fresh later.
Starting to think it would be good of FT adopted something akin to TSX/Dow trading halt when things start to melt down so that some people can cool off on the emotions and start fresh later.
Last edited by YQMer; Oct 26, 2014 at 5:07 pm
Oct 26, 2014, 5:54 pm
#131
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I would rather have the honest, direct, and brutal statements from the AC team than proper "marketing-speak" about enhancements, spins on statements, etc.
I see their point, grudgingly, even if I disagree with it.
Oct 26, 2014, 5:59 pm
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+1. I love his posts and I have a huge respect for Ben S being on here (read his executive profile, even if there is a spelling error - it'll surprise you). Of course a ton of respect for Ben L, Andrew, YYZ SD and others who I won't say are FT'ers who work for AC.
Oct 26, 2014, 6:09 pm
#134
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+1. I love his posts and I have a huge respect for Ben S being on here (read his executive profile, even if there is a spelling error - it'll surprise you). Of course a ton of respect for Ben L, Andrew, YYZ SD and others who I won't say are FT'ers who work for AC.
Oct 26, 2014, 6:11 pm
#135
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Some would say that AC has taken a "mace" to the FF program.
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/bio/smithb.html
I'm not 100% happy about the cutbacks, but I don't blame any FF for thinking/feeling one way or the other. After all, it's their B___ in the seat. Feel what you want, but don't slag someone else for feeling differently.
Heck, it's hard enough agreeing upon favourite airlines/FFP in my household. One parent loves EVA/UA, another flies Cathay Pacific exclusively, while my sister and I fly swear by AC/UA.
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/bio/smithb.html
I'm not 100% happy about the cutbacks, but I don't blame any FF for thinking/feeling one way or the other. After all, it's their B___ in the seat. Feel what you want, but don't slag someone else for feeling differently.
Heck, it's hard enough agreeing upon favourite airlines/FFP in my household. One parent loves EVA/UA, another flies Cathay Pacific exclusively, while my sister and I fly swear by AC/UA.
+1. I love his posts and I have a huge respect for Ben S being on here (read his executive profile, even if there is a spelling error - it'll surprise you). Of course a ton of respect for Ben L, Andrew, YYZ SD and others who I won't say are FT'ers who work for AC.