Aug 21, 2015, 9:39 pm
Last edit by: briguychau
2016 777 Routes
*FAQ
Q: Are all 777s refurbished?
A: Yes, all active 777s have the new configuration (Executive Pod) J suites, Premium Economy, and 10-across Economy seats.
Q: Are the dividers in the middle J seats moveable? Can they be slid up/down?
A: No, all Dream Cabin J seat dividers do not come down and are fixed in place.
Summer 2016 777 International Routes
End of summer schedule changes will be added in the future
77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
Calgary – London Heathrow: AC850/851
Toronto – Hong Kong: AC15/16
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC858/859
Toronto – Vancouver – Sydney: AC33/34
77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
Toronto – Beijing: AC31/32
Toronto – Frankfurt: AC872/873
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC856/869
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC848/849
Toronto – Paris CDG: AC880/881
Toronto – Rome Fiumicino: AC890/891 until Sep 12 (out), Sep 13 (in)
Toronto – Shanghai Pudong: AC87/88
Toronto – Tokyo Haneda: AC5/6
Vancouver – Shanghai Pudong: AC25/26
Vancouver – Tokyo Narita: AC3/4
77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
Montreal – London Heathrow: AC864/865
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC870/871
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC884/885
Vancouver – Beijing: AC29/30
Vancouver – Hong Kong: AC7/8
Vancouver – London Heathrow: AC854/855
*FAQ
Q: Are all 777s refurbished?
A: Yes, all active 777s have the new configuration (Executive Pod) J suites, Premium Economy, and 10-across Economy seats.
Q: Are the dividers in the middle J seats moveable? Can they be slid up/down?
A: No, all Dream Cabin J seat dividers do not come down and are fixed in place.
Summer 2016 777 International Routes
End of summer schedule changes will be added in the future
77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
Calgary – London Heathrow: AC850/851
Toronto – Hong Kong: AC15/16
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC858/859
Toronto – Vancouver – Sydney: AC33/34
77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
Toronto – Beijing: AC31/32
Toronto – Frankfurt: AC872/873
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC856/869
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC848/849
Toronto – Paris CDG: AC880/881
Toronto – Rome Fiumicino: AC890/891 until Sep 12 (out), Sep 13 (in)
Toronto – Shanghai Pudong: AC87/88
Toronto – Tokyo Haneda: AC5/6
Vancouver – Shanghai Pudong: AC25/26
Vancouver – Tokyo Narita: AC3/4
77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
Montreal – London Heathrow: AC864/865
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC870/871
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC884/885
Vancouver – Beijing: AC29/30
Vancouver – Hong Kong: AC7/8
Vancouver – London Heathrow: AC854/855
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Aircraft Tracking (last updated Jun 16, 2016) Plane Status Location Details 77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax) C-FIUA-701 Done Loc:HKG In:Apr 09/16 Out:May 09/16 (30 days) C-FIUF-702 Done Loc:HKG In:Nov 08/15 Out:Dec 27/15 (49 days) C-FIUJ-703 Done Loc:HKG In:Dec 27/15 Out:Feb 04/16 (39 days) C-FIVK-704 Done Loc:HKG In:May 09/16 Out:Jun 08/16 (30 days) C-FNND-705 Done Loc:HKG In:Mar 09/16 Out:Apr 09/16 (31 days) C-FNNH-706 Done Loc:HKG In:Feb 04/16 Out:Mar 09/16 (34 days) 77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax) C-FITL-731 Done Loc:GSO In:Sep 01/15 Out:Nov 20/15 (80 Days) C-FITU-732 Done Loc:GSO In:May 03/16 Out:Jun 05/16 (33 days) C-FITW-733 Done Loc:GSO In:Nov 23/15 Out:Jan 06/16 (45 days) C-FIUL-734 Done Loc:GSO In:Mar 16/16 Out:Apr 17/16 (32 days) C-FIUR-735 Done Loc:GSO In:Dec 09/15 Out:Jan 18/16 (40 days) C-FIUV-736 Done Loc:GSO In:Feb 26/16 Out:Apr 02/16 (36 days) C-FIUW-737 Done Loc:GSO In:Jan 06/16 Out:Feb 12/16 (37 days) C-FIVM-738 Done Loc:GSO In:Feb 13/16 Out:Mar 16/16 (32 days) C-FRAM-739 Done Loc:GSO In:Apr 02/16 Out:May 02/16 (30 days) C-FIVQ-740 Done Loc:GSO In:Jan 20/16 Out:Feb 26/16 (37 days) C-FIVR-741 Done Loc:GSO In:Apr 17/16 Out:May 17/16 (30 days) C-FIVS-742 Done Loc:GSO In:Oct 23/15 Out:Dec 08/15 (46 days) 77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax) C-FIVW-743 Done Loc:YMX In:Mar 28/16 Out:Apr 23/16 (26 days) C-FIVX-744 Done Loc:YMX In:May 21/16 Out:Jun 03/16 (13 days) C-FNNQ-745 Done Loc:YMX In:Jun 03/16 Out:Jun 16/16 (13 days) C-FNNU-746 Done Loc:YMX In:May 06/16 Out:May 21/16 (15 days) C-FNNW-747 Done Loc:YMX In:Apr 23/16 Out:May 06/16 (13 days) C-FJZS-748 In Service Loc:YMX FF:Mar 24/16 Del:Apr 26/16 EIS:May 18/16 C-FKAU-749 In Service Loc:YMX FF:May 01/16 Del:May 21/16 EIS:Jun 10/16
Air Canada plans to refurbish 18 of its 777
Feb 11, 2017, 11:42 am
#1321
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Location: Vancouver, BC
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I'm astonished they left PE on these 5 with the same seats
and did the rest of 777 fleet with different PE seats .
You look on AC website about "premium Economy"
they only show new seats and a curtained partition that
these aircraft don't have.... AC need to have a more
consistent product with value for money or People vote
with there feet and go elsewhere....
and did the rest of 777 fleet with different PE seats .
You look on AC website about "premium Economy"
they only show new seats and a curtained partition that
these aircraft don't have.... AC need to have a more
consistent product with value for money or People vote
with there feet and go elsewhere....
Feb 11, 2017, 12:28 pm
#1322
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Location: BRS/AKL
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Posts: 29
Maybe so , but AC shouldn't go down that route they're above that !!
Consistency and standardisation is everything , look at the empty seats already that say's something....
Consistency and standardisation is everything , look at the empty seats already that say's something....
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Feb 16, 2017, 11:14 pm
#1323
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Fin 744
Seat 5A
Completely deflated and a rather uncomfortable 12 hours
Lumbar inflating buttons did not work
Notified crew
Since you really can't be sure what fin you'll get, just a heads-up
Seat 5A
Completely deflated and a rather uncomfortable 12 hours
Lumbar inflating buttons did not work
Notified crew
Since you really can't be sure what fin you'll get, just a heads-up
Feb 17, 2017, 5:10 am
#1324
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In my post #1311, I showed the photo I took recently on Fin 743 of the PE seats.
Well, here is what the PE seat looks like on Fin 744.
Does anyone know why AC did not refurb the PE seats on these older HDs to be consistent across the fleet?
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Well, here is what the PE seat looks like on Fin 744.
Does anyone know why AC did not refurb the PE seats on these older HDs to be consistent across the fleet?
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Last edited by 24left; Feb 17, 2017 at 3:36 pm Reason: spelling
Feb 17, 2017, 3:34 pm
#1325
Join Date: Jun 2009
Programs: Air Canada Aeroplan
Posts: 1,748
Yep, that's what I saw. New upholstery, old seat frames, old entertainment system.
Feb 17, 2017, 4:25 pm
#1326
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 2,494
A quick Google finds that a business class seat is $30,000-$80,000. I am guessing the low end is the cost for a domestic business seat. So if similar to a PY seat on the 777, which has 24 PY seats.
So $30,000 x 24 seats = $720,000.
So even if the seats are half way through their life, the value in the old seats is still $360,000
I'd rather they spend the $360,000 on more "deep cleans" of their filthy planes.
Feb 17, 2017, 4:40 pm
#1327
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I assume there is still a lot of life in those seats and at the next D check they will be replaced.
A quick Google finds that a business class seat is $30,000-$80,000. I am guessing the low end is the cost for a domestic business seat. So if similar to a PY seat on the 777, which has 24 PY seats.
So $30,000 x 24 seats = $720,000.
So even if the seats are half way through their life, the value in the old seats is still $360,000
I'd rather they spend the $360,000 on more "deep cleans" of their filthy planes.
A quick Google finds that a business class seat is $30,000-$80,000. I am guessing the low end is the cost for a domestic business seat. So if similar to a PY seat on the 777, which has 24 PY seats.
So $30,000 x 24 seats = $720,000.
So even if the seats are half way through their life, the value in the old seats is still $360,000
I'd rather they spend the $360,000 on more "deep cleans" of their filthy planes.
Feb 18, 2017, 8:51 pm
#1328
Join Date: Jun 2009
Programs: Air Canada Aeroplan
Posts: 1,748
I assume there is still a lot of life in those seats and at the next D check they will be replaced.
A quick Google finds that a business class seat is $30,000-$80,000. I am guessing the low end is the cost for a domestic business seat. So if similar to a PY seat on the 777, which has 24 PY seats.
So $30,000 x 24 seats = $720,000.
So even if the seats are half way through their life, the value in the old seats is still $360,000
I'd rather they spend the $360,000 on more "deep cleans" of their filthy planes.
A quick Google finds that a business class seat is $30,000-$80,000. I am guessing the low end is the cost for a domestic business seat. So if similar to a PY seat on the 777, which has 24 PY seats.
So $30,000 x 24 seats = $720,000.
So even if the seats are half way through their life, the value in the old seats is still $360,000
I'd rather they spend the $360,000 on more "deep cleans" of their filthy planes.
Feb 19, 2017, 7:55 pm
#1330
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Here's the thing with the various configurations/stages of refurb of the older 777s (450 pax edition)...no one cares if anyone is comfortable. I'll assume the reason fin 743 still has the old seats is that they were still in a form not needing immediate "renovation". OTOH, fin 744 got new fabric and head rest (or maybe that's just a new cover. I did not conduct a deeper inspection when I took the photos).
Fins 748 and 749, the new builds, have the new seats.
FTers are a different breed and many of us know fin numbers and cabin confirmations that get interesting reactions out of cabin crew.
The average flier does not. They look at the PE cabin, they consider the price and the distance and it's either yes or no.
AC did its own calculations and the mix-and-match PE on the HD is the result.
Fins 748 and 749, the new builds, have the new seats.
FTers are a different breed and many of us know fin numbers and cabin confirmations that get interesting reactions out of cabin crew.
The average flier does not. They look at the PE cabin, they consider the price and the distance and it's either yes or no.
AC did its own calculations and the mix-and-match PE on the HD is the result.
Feb 20, 2017, 6:46 am
#1331
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Once again I say "Consistency and standardisation is everything" re #1322
You can't advertise a product on your web site and give something inferior...
People catch on to this, you end up with empty seats....... doesn't take long but
takes years to get that trust back...
You can't advertise a product on your web site and give something inferior...
People catch on to this, you end up with empty seats....... doesn't take long but
takes years to get that trust back...
Feb 20, 2017, 7:18 am
#1332
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Once again I say "Consistency and standardisation is everything" re #1322
You can't advertise a product on your web site and give something inferior...
People catch on to this, you end up with empty seats....... doesn't take long but
takes years to get that trust back...
You can't advertise a product on your web site and give something inferior...
People catch on to this, you end up with empty seats....... doesn't take long but
takes years to get that trust back...
Even if AC were able to offer the identical hard product. the soft product doesn't offer "consistency and standardisation" despite many years of trying.
Feb 20, 2017, 8:17 am
#1333
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Airlines do this all the time - when a fleet is being updated you end up with a mixed fleet for several years. The J seat is supposed to be the "same" in a 777 as a 787, but there is significantly more space in the 787 version. AC is running old pods on 763's and 330's. NH has different styles of J in their fleet as does SQ.
Even if AC were able to offer the identical hard product. the soft product doesn't offer "consistency and standardisation" despite many years of trying.
Even if AC were able to offer the identical hard product. the soft product doesn't offer "consistency and standardisation" despite many years of trying.
nothing wrong with J or Y at least they are all the same....
Feb 20, 2017, 5:21 pm
#1334
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Feb 20, 2017, 6:39 pm
#1335
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 2,494
the majority of my flying is tpac in PY, but I'd rather take cleaner planes than worry about the seats on only 5 aircraft.