sp4294

Yeah, no kidding! I witnessed this one morning last summer sitting in the YVR domestic MLL watching the carts of baggage being hauled in/out of the underground processing area. One guy came out at a good clip and suitcases just went flying off the second trailing cart as he turned a corner and tumbled out on the tarmac about 15-20 feet without him noticing. A good half dozen bags in all. Took about fifteen minutes with others whizzing by before somebody actually came by and looked at them!

No chance these rampies will be fired permanently. The union will grieve this if any action is taken and they will be back at work in due time. AC management really needs to look at what a mess they have here.

altitude75k

It's another fine enhancement by AC.

PLeblond

That happens at almost every airport in North America every day. Its not airline dependent, its industry wide.

What I find interesting is that people (myself included) complain when flights are delayed, or that it takes too long to get their luggage, but at the same time, they want airline to treat their luggage like Grandmother's China. The system in place works 99.7% of the time but when we are the 3/1000 that something happens we freak out.

CloudsBelow

LOL ...... I thought you were telling all your Square followers that you blocked me? Now, I'm getting responses to each of my posts. Progress.
Not sure what you've provided here? I'll be sure to look you up when I want to know where to buy a TPAC flight pass or if I need to know how big the foot cutouts are on the HD.
In the meantime, please send me links to any posts where you've actually said anything forward-looking, insightful, useful. Your posts are limited to your BIS miles, should be slow time for you until 787s arrive ......

tcook052

No, but given the pricing information Boeing provides here you can get a decent idea how favorable those terms to AC were. What's your notion for AC getting under half price aircraft that was delivered almost immediately if not to compensate for 787 delays or encourage a 737 order?

philelite

My personal opinion is...

That's what you get for not boarding early in Y class to ensure there was space in the overhead or you didn't want to put your enormous carry-on by your feet.

Prewrappedbacon

They are going to get fired per the Globe and Mail:

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/air-canada-to-fire-workers-after-video-showed-baggage-tossing/article18075563/?service=mobile

rankourabu

Yes this is clearly the pax fault for bringing a carryon bag, definitely has nothing to do with AC cramming 400 people in Y on a 777.

Stranger

A combination of

* AC cramming 400 people in Y on a 777;

* Airlines charging extra for luggage;

* People unwilling to pay taking the kitchen sink on board;

* AC not enforcing carry on sizes and limits.

Bottom line: a combination of people being cheap and airlines catering to cheap customers.

People have to suffer in order to convince themselves they got the best deal. In other owrds, only if the suffer are they happy....

CloudsBelow

Sure, And the waste cleaners shouldn't remove all 400 peoples' bathroom waste after each flight just 301 as per 77W ... and the staff shouldn't vacuum the crumbs of 400 passengers nor wipe down 400 seats and tray tables, just count to 301 and you're done. And maybe the FAs should only serve 301 passengers and simply throw cans of coke at the remaining 99? I mean, None of those working groups wanted the HD configuration

I understand there are inherent pressures when turning/prepping these beasts. I'd expect the staff to have some basic pride and sense of accountability in their work.
If they don't, they won't be too upset getting axed yesterday.

Stranger

Given that management probably expects them to deal with the 400 within the same time window they need for the 300 ones, would that be a surprise?

Then when under pressure someone makes a short cut, they lose their jobs?
Wonderful way to run a business. Guarantees customer satisfaction, right.

CloudsBelow

Is that a fact? I don't know. Are you saying AC don't staff in accordance with passenger loads? Would a 77HD and 77W on the same turn have the same cleaning/baggage staffing levels? Honest question.
Let's assume these guys walked down the bags, resulting in 20 min delay pushing back. Do you, for a second, think their union is going to allow them to catch any flack from management when the cause of the delay was overhead storage filling up?
Some might feel these baggage handlers threw the bags down driven by desire/pressure of an on-time departure, others will just think they're lazy and climbing up and down stairs 30 times didn't sound overly delightful

TemboOne

Except that if you're an ''ordinary" passenger without status and toting one soft side bag in Y and sitting up front in row 18 you are boarded last, even though you pay for preferred seating, chances are there's no space left in the overhead bins - especially on a 77HD - and even then your 'legal" carry on may be removed to accommodate someone else's obviously oversized humungous wheelie! Utterly ridiculous!!!

Why on earth are the airlines even allowing any carry on wheelies at all?

The whole situation is getting ridiculous and totally out of hand.

One solution would be to have airlines standardise carry-on sizes and have these inspected and rejected where applicable as part of the security process.

Carry-on bags which are obviously oversize as to dimension or weight should not be allowed to get as far as the gate.

Stranger

Wouldn't that bag fit "under the seat in front of you" though?

Stranger

Obviously we don't know.

In which case I would rather give the benefit of the doubt to the weakest link rather than to distant management. Whose track record is known when dealing with employees. And even with customers.