JJSK

I'm searching and getting conflicting info on the miles accumulation on Rouge premium (P class). Anyone know if it is 100%, 125% or 150% from Canada to Caribbean destinations?

Does P class come with lounge access?

pprrff

“Rouge Premium” within North America and Caribbean/Sun destinations maps as business class so you get 150% as per the chart.
The confusion perhaps comes from “Rouge Premium” being listed as premium economy for international (overseas + South America) destinations.

Srklaw7

Going to the AC website I still am unable to see if there is wifi on the 763 Rouge TATL flights. Any info would be of great help.

ecc

Bums in seats on planes getting rotated out, generally marketed to holiday makers. Also you'll see rouge fly to smaller, cheaper airports (I.e. in Japan mainline flies to Haneda and Narita....rouge flies to Nagoya. It's similar to low cost airlines...but just not as cheap.

High volume market with slimmer margins.

D582

If AC felt there was a real market for J to BCN, then mainline would fly it.

Srklaw7

Lisbon is becoming so popular year round. Its not a resort destination. Yet it is Rouge as far as I know. Why not mainline?

JJSK

thanks!
Oddly the agent the air canada agent on the phone said 100%, which is what started my confusion. Very happy it's 150%

RatherBeInYOW

There is not, unfortunately.

Fiordland

It is not a major banking, pharma, energy business center. AC would have a hard time selling a real business class product. TAP Air Portugal also flies the routes with good prices on their business class.

As far as flights to Europe go it is probably one of the shortest routes going. There is a lot of tourists going to Lisbon and they are mostly in economy.

Fiordland

Air Transat has been flying the route for decades without a real internal business class. The same for virtually all there routes to Europe. I think it is safe to say, it is possible to make money on these routes.

This route has a lot of cruse ship traffic. Likely not hard to fill the aircraft.

ChrisA330

Most of the rouge 767 do in fact have WiFi, but there are still some that don’t.

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...ard/wi-fi.html

Stranger

I suspect Lisbon is primarily a touristic destination. Not much business there. Plus, it's hard to compete with TP both pricewise and service-wise.

EdmFlyBoi

Having a decent business class only makes a carrier money when there is the potential for customers to pay for the business class seats on the route. To the majority of destinations Rouge flies, that would not be the case. This would result in a potential glut of seats available at either too low a price or as upgrades or reward seats, which certainly wouldn't be as profitable. The Rouge model uses already paid for and depreciated aircraft with a higher seat count and with crews that are hired at a lower cost. This results in a decrease in the CASM on the routes that Rouge flies. This means that AC can charge a potentially lower fare (which they often don't) that results in a fairly full aircraft with a lower cost base operating to cities that normally wouldn't support a mainline wide body. Looking at some of the Premium Rouge fares to Europe this upcoming summer, and understanding the lower cost base, it seems pretty likely that with a fairly full aircraft to destinations like LIS, OPO, TXL, BCN, etc., that AC is making a profit on these routes. AC has repeatedly said that the Rouge unit is performing well and has been a successful venture for them.

In flying them on transatlantic routes, particularly going east to west, it certainly isn't as nice as PE in a mainline wide body. But considering it allows one to skip at extra connection point when coming from some of the cities that Rouge flies (like TXL, BUD, OTO, OPO, and BCN), it has its advantages. Although, it would be great if the 767's could be nicer (and they will be replaced in time), having such a large network as AC now does, is certainly a benefit to a frequent flier that goes to many different destinations. You just have to tolerate the often unpolished crews and old aircraft.

Medhatter

I booked through travel and they sent me the following:
1 AC 316 B FR 10APR YYCYUL HK2 X 0700 1303 CABY 01

2 AC1902 E FR 10APR YULATH HK2 1610 0820 CABO 01

AC 1902 is a Rouge Flight, I had requested Premium Economy but I am not sure what that means in Rouge. Does this mean we will be in Premium Rouge or Rouge Plus? The return is on mainline so no problem there. '
Thanks

SparseFlyer

E is Premium Rogue

Edit: I believe you may get P class on YYCYUL if you pick a non mainline flight, for the same price.

Edit 2: Call your TA and tell them to reprice the itinerary with P on the first segment and give you the price. Then to reprice with a rough segment in P as well.