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Old Jan 6, 2016, 2:55 pm
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I have an upcoming stay and read the entire thread. I saw some common themes, and thought it would be useful to start a wiki. Please feel free to update or correct anything. I haven't stayed here, so the information is based on the contents of the thread:

- Diamond Suite Upgrades are NOT available at this property.
- Diamond members receive a complimentary full breakfast for up to 4 guests.
- The beds are very firm platform beds. I saw a few posts where a foam pad for the top of the bed was requested.
- Docked cruise ships that may obstruct the view from the Harbour view rooms.
- The hotel is 4 stories.

The concierge desk offers a weekly tour of the Rocks on Saturday.

Link that shows when cruise ships will be docked opposite the hotel:
https://www.portauthoritynsw.com.au/...ruise-schedule

Room Types and Floorplans:
https://www.scribd.com/document/3404...t-Sydney-Rooms

Expert Review posted in Luxury Forum: http://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-reviews/r-wonderful-park-hyatt-sydney-stay-and-city-harbor-view-with-a-few-caveats-1943
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Old Dec 27, 2021, 3:07 pm
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I just finished a two night stay and it was my worst stay ever, even forgiving the Covid related issues.

There was a positive case in the Dining Room the day prior to our arrival and all staff working that day are in isolation pending a negative PCR test which can take up to a week in Sydney atm.

Will publish a TR today.
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Originally Posted by m0hamed
I just finished a two night stay and it was my worst stay ever, even forgiving the Covid related issues.

There was a positive case in the Dining Room the day prior to our arrival and all staff working that day are in isolation pending a negative PCR test which can take up to a week in Sydney atm.

Will publish a TR today.
The Dabinett effect.
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Originally Posted by m0hamed
I just finished a two night stay and it was my worst stay ever, even forgiving the Covid related issues.

There was a positive case in the Dining Room the day prior to our arrival and all staff working that day are in isolation pending a negative PCR test which can take up to a week in Sydney atm.

Will publish a TR today.
Sorry to hear
Almost every position has changed hands from the top down.Expect some rough waters.
I received an email from the hotel back in September saying that Marc was leaving in late November and the new VIP manager introduced themselves
Can just imagine the transition period with Covid catching fire again and all new recruits flying the plane.
When was the stay?
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Originally Posted by Aventine
The Dabinett effect.
https://www.cimbusinessevents.com.au...-hyatt-sydney/

https://eglobaltravelmedia.com.au/pa...neral-manager/
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When was the stay?
Christmas Day for two nights. 25-27 Dec.
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Originally Posted by m0hamed
Christmas Day for two nights. 25-27 Dec.
The perfect storm a hotel with the changing of the guards covid flare ups ( assume Sydney is experiencing that like the rest of the world)
Look forward to hearing the details the good (if any) and the bad.I assume they turned to room service if the dining room closed?
Again very sorry to hear if that damaged your holiday plans by the experience
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Lost its lustre...

Park Hyatt Sydney

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Park Hyatt Sydney

7 Hickson Road The Rocks, NW AU 2000

Lost its lustre... (18 Photos)

Park Hyatt Sydney

I will preface this review by acknowledging the effect Covid has on hotel operations, the current outbreak in Sydney (and much of the World), as well as the fact that the day prior to check in there was a positive case in the DIning Room and all hotel staff working that day were in isolation pending a negative test. Unfortunately in Sydney PCR tests are taking up to a week for results.

That said, the hard product service failures we experienced made this our worst stay to date.

I originally booked NYE on points. While we have done the Rooftop party before, we have never stayed on NYE, but as time progressed, we decided we didn't want to be at the hotel during 100% occupancy so moved the stay to Xmas and booked the Xmas Dinner.

Check In

I checked in on the app and was upgraded from the dreaded King Room (which is all that's offered on points, whereas cash and points lets you book a Harbour View for extra cash) to a Harbour View.

I had intended to pay to upgrade to an Opera Deluxe but the only room offered was a King Deluxe. I know these rooms used to be called a 'City Harbour Deluxe' and have limited views of the Harbour sitting at the Northern and Southern end, but decided the extra space was valuable.

The lack of upgrade options became apparent a week prior when the hotel stopped selling any rooms from Xmas to just after NYE. I suspected they realised they couldn't staff the property adequately with the number of guests and events they were holding. Much of this is due to an inability to recruit hospitality staff in Australia because many visa holders returned home and Australia only recently allowed their return.

I stated we wanted a 10AM check in on the app and we arrived at 11AM and the room was ready.

Room

We were initially given a room on the 'Mezzanine' meaning ground floor on the Northern end of the hotel. There were two balconies. The first balcony on the left in the living area was directly next to the corner of Hickson Road and the bedroom balcony faced the tree. The room was under the Bridge and had some water views but I wasn't happy. I called reception and the front desk agent offerred to show another room.

We walked from one end of the hotel to the other and up one floor. Room 145's living room faced Six Head 1788 restaurant but had direct views of SOH from the couch and balconies. The view was much, much better. Thankfully the restaurants outside were closed while we were there but this has to be one of the noisest rooms in the hotel. Later we realised we could hear the conversations of people outside as they walked in and out of The Rocks. I couldn't imagine how awful it would be on NYE or if the restaurants were open.

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Worse, every few minutes there was a loud bang. I realised we were immediately above the staff entrance which has a heavy door and banged every time staff entered or exited to start or finish shift or go on break.

We spent the first day by the pool because the weather was glorious, however discovered the safe didn't work. I returned to the room to get something and my keys had stopped working. Digital key also failed. I had to walk to reception in a singlet and shorts to ask for new keys while people were having their Xmas Day lunch. Extremely embarrassing.

Worse, I went to the room and they keys failed again. The front desk agent cut keys a third time. This also failed. Frustrated, I called the hotel and demanded someone come up to let us in and provide new keys. A front desk agent came up, the keys failed and they used their Master fob. They said sometimes the door key mechanism power fails and needs to be replaced. I asked them to fix and deliver new keys to the pool which they did.

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That night as we started watching some Netflix I realised I couldn't get off the couch without climbing over my husband, the armchair or the coffee table. While the room was larger than the standard rooms, the furniture simply did not fit. There was possibly one inch between the armchair and the bed, the armchair and the coffee table and the couch and the coffee table. This was increasingly frustrating the longer we spent in the room.

Getting up in the middle of the night meant awkwardly navigating the furniture. 

I should add that the room appeared to have had a soft refresh with new carpet, new cushions and upholstery. 

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Service

We have had several staycations during Covid and I have tempered my expectations accordingly. That said, the hard product failures of the room could not be forgiven.

 

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I did not wish to change rooms because we had already unpacked.

There was no housekeeping on the first or second night which was disappointing, but I assume because much of the housekeeping staff were isolation.

As we got dressed for our Xmas Dinner, I discoverd the room had no iron. Instead of offering to send one up immediately, Guest Services tried to tell me where the iron is. I sternly replied I knew exactly where the iron should be, I'm tall enough to see the entire cupboard and we need an iron in the next 5 mins as we had our dinner reservation. It was delivered by a housekeeper who insisted there was an iron in the room and frustrated I simply took it from his hands and shut the door without saying a word.

Dining

We spent two days by the pool is our usual plan during our staycations.

We tried to order from the Poolside menu some items for lunch and were told by staff they were only offering the in room dining menu on Christmas Day. I forgave this but then was also told they were not making cocktails which I fail to comprehend. Can room service really not make a Grey Goose, Lime and Soda with all three ingredients?

On Boxing Day we tried to order our favourite dish the Battered Fish and Chips and were told we couldn't have it in the room, only at the pool. I told Guest Services I would be very disappointed if the kitchen can make the dish but refuse to because we want it in room. I was called back and told it's not on the menu anymore.

The Christmas Dinner menu was released after we'd booked months ago. To the hotel's credit when we said we don't wat Ham they catered to our dietaries. I did not know what to expect from a hotel Christmas dinner and the food was exceptional. They also had a live singer and piano player who were incredible. This totally exceeded our expectations.

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Breakfast was as normal and the Sirloin from room service was spectacular. Surprisingly the buffet was back. We continued to wear our masks to and from the buffet and sanitise because of the shared utensils, but other guests did not.

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Overall

Overall, while the PHS will always hold a special place in our hearts, it seems to have lost its lustre.

The combination of poor room and service failures made this our worst stay yet.

I know the hotel has a new GM and I noticed there was no handwritten welcome card and the amenity was missing our usual bottle of Champagne. We did not meet him at any point during our stay.

We are supposed to return in a few weeks, but I'm inclined to change the date to delay for a few months while the service issues are worked out and there is some sense of normality.

Despite the negativity, I am grateful we got to stay at this time while many had or chose to cancel their bookings because of the outbreak.

Lost its lustre...

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The Dabinett effect at work.
I've seen it at his 2 previous properties and it's not pretty. Sucks all the PH "luxury is personal" away and undoes the great work of his predecessors.

I don't know what Hyatt was thinking with his appointment to this top tier property. I wouldn't expect to see the champagne back and just the generic PH GM note.
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Originally Posted by Aventine
The Dabinett effect at work.
I've seen it at his 2 previous properties and it's not pretty. Sucks all the PH "luxury is personal" away and undoes the great work of his predecessors.
No idea what that is, but I'm assuming it's not a good thing.

Originally Posted by Aventine
I don't know what Hyatt was thinking with his appointment to this top tier property. I wouldn't expect to see the champagne back and just the generic PH GM note.
At this point, is it due to Covid or just the excuse they've been waiting for to pare down services? These days, I have to keep calling and request turn down service, something that had always been par for the course. And, I'm the minority who would still appreciate a nice piece of chocolate.
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At this point, is it due to Covid or just the excuse they've been waiting for to pare down services? These days, I have to keep calling and request turn down service, something that had always been par for the course. And, I'm the minority who would still appreciate a nice piece of chocolate.
I recently stayed at the PH Vendome and they were automatically doing turndown service and I even received a box of chocolate on my second night. No champagne, and not sure if they even offered.
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Old Dec 29, 2021, 2:58 pm
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I sent an email to Hyatt Consumer Affairs. I don’t know if that mailbox is still monitored.

The reason I forgive some of the service is because the long term staff we know were affected by Covid isolation rules so most of the staff were last minute casuals.

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No idea what that is, but I'm assuming it's not a good thing.



At this point, is it due to Covid or just the excuse they've been waiting for to pare down services? These days, I have to keep calling and request turn down service, something that had always been par for the course. And, I'm the minority who would still appreciate a nice piece of chocolate.
In my experience with Mr. Dabinett, it's all about cost cutting and revenue growth (through a reduction in services). I've been through the Dabinett effect twice at 2 PHs and it wasn't pretty.

He pretty much told me to go pound sand when I had some room hardware issues at PH Seoul. They weren't as bad as m0hamed's though. Marc von Arnim knew how to treat guests very well and make them feel appreciated. Dabinett just wants money.

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In my experience with Mr. Dabinett, it's all about cost cutting and revenue growth (through a reduction in services). I've been through the Dabinett effect twice at 2 PHs and it wasn't pretty.
Ah, I see. Now he's been posted to the PH Sydney, a hotel that an Australian business associate had assured me was the best hotel in all of Australia, not just Sydney.

Originally Posted by Aventine
Dabinett just wants money.
Which is great if one is property owner or shareholder but certainly less than ideal for guests.
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Originally Posted by Aventine
In my experience with Mr. Dabinett, it's all about cost cutting and revenue growth (through a reduction in services). I've been through the Dabinett effect twice at 2 PHs and it wasn't pretty.

He pretty much told me to go pound sand when I had some room hardware issues at PH Seoul. They weren't as bad as m0hamed's though. Marc von Arnim knew how to treat guests very well and make them feel appreciated. Dabinett just wants money.
You have certainly painted a poor picture of the new GM.I am likely to cancel my booking in the New Year and wait till more positive reviews come in if ever
Revenue growth doesn’t come from cost cutting it comes from investing in guest service and value adds translating to highly satisfied repeat guests returning year after year.Let us not forget Hyatt Consumer Affairs will typically step in to make things right if your stay fails reasonably and any Hyatt hotel drops the ball
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Originally Posted by 777 global mile hound
You have certainly painted a poor picture of the new GM.I am likely to cancel my booking in the New Year and wait till more positive reviews come in if ever
Revenue growth doesn’t come from cost cutting it comes from investing in guest service and value adds translating to highly satisfied repeat guests returning year after year.Let us not forget Hyatt Consumer Affairs will typically step in to make things right if your stay fails reasonably and any Hyatt hotel drops the ball
Mark would come say hello and have a chat but Dabinett tended to stay in his office or avoid eye contact when outside. Your English speaking Globalist guest is at the counter, you see him but pretend to be busy with something else. He should be different in a market like Sydney though. I’m just surprised he wasn’t out greeting the few guests he had.

My last stay at a Dabinett hotel (PH Seoul) was to burn an expiring Cat 1-7 cert during the first pandemic. Got a Park suite but no fruit or wine.

If he gets rid of Aesop at this property then that’s a big warning sign. He did it in Seoul.

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