Ultimate global A/D/LONE3/4/5/6 pricing
Oct 24, 2006, 10:32 am
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Sabre rattlings - hot off the wire prices
So yesterday I signed up as a (very part time) home-based TA and got access to both Sabre and Amadeus, so thought I'd try out my Sabre keyboarding skills (there's an oxymoron) to see what changes in the star file fares I could find since the last general updating. I've done just a selection of countries for OWE prices, since cutting and pasting into FT format rates a 12 on the PITA scale.
Anyway, below are a few Asia origin points, priced as of today. I've included the last FT-posted fares on the line below so you can see the changes. On my spreadsheet it looks like most AONExs have gone up by 10%; DONExs by 4% - 10%, and LONExs have stayed more or less flat. Japan didn't go up by as much as other places, including Sri Lanka, so for the moment Japan is pretty competitive with CMB in some fare categories. (I haven't done the work of currency conversion except for a couple of personal tests.)
Did I mention that I'm now a fledgling TA? Wink wink.
(A couple of Africa and Euro start points will be in the next post. I'm also looking at GlobeEx and Circle fares to see if there's anything shocking.)
If anybody knows diddly about how to look up rules and fares for RTWs on Amadeus, especially ones BA might use in, say, Romania, I'd be grateful for the guidance.
Anyway, below are a few Asia origin points, priced as of today. I've included the last FT-posted fares on the line below so you can see the changes. On my spreadsheet it looks like most AONExs have gone up by 10%; DONExs by 4% - 10%, and LONExs have stayed more or less flat. Japan didn't go up by as much as other places, including Sri Lanka, so for the moment Japan is pretty competitive with CMB in some fare categories. (I haven't done the work of currency conversion except for a couple of personal tests.)
Did I mention that I'm now a fledgling TA? Wink wink.
(A couple of Africa and Euro start points will be in the next post. I'm also looking at GlobeEx and Circle fares to see if there's anything shocking.)
If anybody knows diddly about how to look up rules and fares for RTWs on Amadeus, especially ones BA might use in, say, Romania, I'd be grateful for the guidance.
Code:
COUNTRY/CURR HONG KONG 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT HKD AONE 70,400 79,000 88,500 97,700 (Old) 64,000 71,940 81,950 88,880 DONE 49,680 56,070 63,900 69,900 (Old) 45,160 50,970 59,180 63,560 LONE 21,590 24,750 28,180 33,000 (Old) 21,590 24,750 28,180 31,430 JAPAN 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT JPY AONE 955,500 1,072,400 1,242,700 1,423,900 910,000 1,021,300 1,183,500 1,356,100 DONE 656,300 743,200 852,500 978,200 625,000 707,800 811,900 931,600 LONE 335,000 369,600 433,800 500,000 321,900 355,400 421,200 485,000 KOREA 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT KRW AONE 8,881,400 10,098,900 11,604,600 13,345,300 8,074,000 9,173,500 10,549,600 12,132,100 DONE 5,686,200 6,776,800 7,789,600 8,787,400 5,415,400 6,454,100 7,418,600 8,531,400 LONE 2,905,500 3,486,700 4,009,700 4,611,200 2,905,500 3,486,700 4,009,700 4,611,200 MALAYSIA 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT MYR AONE 37,280 40,460 46,530 53,250 33,890 36,787 42,306 48,415 DONE 25,170 28,460 32,730 36,670 22,880 25,875 29,756 33,336 LONE 10,780 12,555 14,320 16,470 10,461 12,555 13,904 15,991 PAKISTAN 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT PKR AONE 516,870 576,140 662,620 739,590 457,400 509,850 586,300 654,500 DONE 302,480 340,560 391,710 450,450 272,500 309,600 356,100 409,500 LONE 145,500 174,700 200,900 231,000 145,500 174,700 200,900 231,000 SINGAPORE 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT SGD AONE 16,140 17,300 19,900 22,880 14,670 15,730 18,093 20,800 DONE 10,890 12,240 14,090 15,740 9,900 11,128 12,808 14,304 LONE 4,860 5,365 6,170 7,713 4,860 5,365 6,170 7,713 SRI LANKA 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT LKR AONE 884,900 980,000 1,105,000 1,248,500 769,400 821,100 944,300 1,085,600 DONE 518,500 591,200 679,800 774,200 458,900 523,200 601,600 685,150 LONE 241,270 289,400 333,000 383,860 223,400 268,000 308,400 354,500 THAILAND 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT THB AONE 329,495 372,340 418,740 466,895 299,540 338,490 387,725 424,450 DONE 229,825 262,645 296,535 329,400 208,930 238,765 274,570 299,450 LONE 100,965 121,160 139,330 160,230 100,965 121,160 139,330 160,230
Oct 24, 2006, 11:59 am
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A few more...
Here are two Africa origins of interest -
And a couple of countries of interest in Europe -
Let me know what other countries/products are of interest - response won't be instantaneous but what is?
Code:
MAURITIUS 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT MUR AONE 188,000 215,000 245,000 DONE 161,000 182,000 212,000 LONE 80,000 92,000 110,000 No changes SO AFRICA 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT ZAR AONE 51,990 66,000 76,800 59,900 65,000 70,000 DONE 39,950 45,300 53,000 41,400 45,000 50,000 LONE 18,500 22,000 27,000 19,000 24,000 29,000
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CROATIA 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT EUR AONE 6,900 7,700 8,700 9,800 6,249 7,149 8,149 9,049 DONE 4,800 5,200 5,900 6,800 4,149 4,749 5,549 6,099 LONE 1,810 2,250 2,790 3,260 1,999 2,099 2,599 3,399 SWEDEN SEK 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT AONE 62,100 69,500 80,900 91,000 64,000 71,000 81,000 91,000 DONE 39,700 44,960 53,500 58,900 41,000 45,000 51,500 58,900 LONE 15,690 19,560 23,360 26,940 15,720 19,900 24,000 28,200
Oct 24, 2006, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Let me know what other countries/products are of interest - response won't be instantaneous but what is?
And many thanks for providing this information. It really is appreciated
Oct 24, 2006, 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
Here are two Africa origins of interest -
And a couple of countries of interest in Europe -
Let me know what other countries/products are of interest - response won't be instantaneous but what is?
Code:
SO AFRICA 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT ZAR AONE 51,990 66,000 76,800 59,900 65,000 70,000 DONE 39,950 45,300 53,000 41,400 45,000 50,000 LONE 18,500 22,000 27,000 19,000 24,000 29,000
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SWEDEN SEK 3 CONT 4 CONT 5 CONT 6 CONT AONE 62,100 69,500 80,900 91,000 64,000 71,000 81,000 91,000 DONE 39,700 44,960 53,500 58,900 41,000 45,000 51,500 58,900 LONE 15,690 19,560 23,360 26,940 15,720 19,900 24,000 28,200
Oct 24, 2006, 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by ethan
Could we have New Zealand please?
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NZ/NZD 4 5 6 AONE 14,399 16,399 18,499 (Old) 13,899 15,479 17,879 DONE 10,599 12,099 13,869 (Old) 10,239 11,759 13,269 LHONE 3,789 4,199 4,699 (Old) 4,089 4,399 4,759 LLONE 3,629 3,959 4,549 (Old) 3,629 3,909 4,499
Originally Posted by Moomba
The SA & Swedish xONE4 have come down in price?
Oct 24, 2006, 7:00 pm
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Good stuff Gardyloo ... ^
Maybe this site would help: Global Distribution Systems Training Web Site. 
Originally Posted by Gardyloo
... If anybody knows diddly about how to look up rules and fares for RTWs on Amadeus, especially ones BA might use in, say, Romania, I'd be grateful for the guidance. ...
Oct 24, 2006, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by serfty
Maybe this site would help: Global Distribution Systems Training Web Site.
Oct 25, 2006, 12:09 am
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
I just double checked the SA AONE3...
Hmm a TA with dyslexia, could be a good thing if it works out in my favour.
How much did you say? Excellent I'll take it.
Oct 25, 2006, 2:34 am
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
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If anybody knows diddly about how to look up rules and fares for RTWs on Amadeus, especially ones BA might use in, say, Romania, I'd be grateful for the guidance.
If anybody knows diddly about how to look up rules and fares for RTWs on Amadeus, especially ones BA might use in, say, Romania, I'd be grateful for the guidance.
Though BA might be on Amadeus, they sometimes restrict access to certain fare rules and displays to their own systems which regular TA Amadeus users do not have access to.
Oct 25, 2006, 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by Guy Betsy
As a fledging TA, shouldn't you start by say, the rules of trade, and read the manuals before you touch something you shouldn't?
Oct 25, 2006, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by Moomba
Hmm a TA with dyslexia, could be a good thing if it works out in my favour.
How much did you say? Excellent I'll take it.
How much did you say? Excellent I'll take it.
As an exceptionally tweedy lecturer at Edin U once asked us, "G'morning. How am I?"
Oct 25, 2006, 3:40 pm
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Gardyloo, thanks very much for this update. I have entered these new figures into my fare spreadsheet and reach the following conclusions.
Maritius is still by far the best A starting point for AONEs. The 4 continent fare is only 73% of the next best AONE4 and the 5 continent fare is 77% of the next best (South Africa in both cases). Even if one assumes that starting in Mauritius (also South Africa) requires an extra continent (one has to pay for Africa but there is not much you can do with intra-Africa flights), comparing the ex-MRU 4 continent to the best AONE3 (which is now Japan), AONE4 ex-MRU is still about 72% of an AONE3 ex-Japan. MRU is also better for a DONE4 than anywhere else, although the DONE3 ex-CMB seems slightly ($50) cheaper than the DONE4 ex-MRU. Note that I have not included Malawi in the above comparisons because it is more expensive that MRU (but not South Africa) and does not seem to be a starting point that anyone is likely to consider.
Putting my money where my mouth is, today I’ve just returned to the US from flying the first four segments (more than 18,000 miles all in First) of a AONE5 started in MRU a week ago. (It would be nice if it could be extrapolated to 20 segments totaling 90,000 miles all in First but the law of averages is about to catch up). Before starting out, I posted some thoughts on RTWs ex-MRU and I’ll add some further thoughts in the next few days.
Maritius is still by far the best A starting point for AONEs. The 4 continent fare is only 73% of the next best AONE4 and the 5 continent fare is 77% of the next best (South Africa in both cases). Even if one assumes that starting in Mauritius (also South Africa) requires an extra continent (one has to pay for Africa but there is not much you can do with intra-Africa flights), comparing the ex-MRU 4 continent to the best AONE3 (which is now Japan), AONE4 ex-MRU is still about 72% of an AONE3 ex-Japan. MRU is also better for a DONE4 than anywhere else, although the DONE3 ex-CMB seems slightly ($50) cheaper than the DONE4 ex-MRU. Note that I have not included Malawi in the above comparisons because it is more expensive that MRU (but not South Africa) and does not seem to be a starting point that anyone is likely to consider.
Putting my money where my mouth is, today I’ve just returned to the US from flying the first four segments (more than 18,000 miles all in First) of a AONE5 started in MRU a week ago. (It would be nice if it could be extrapolated to 20 segments totaling 90,000 miles all in First but the law of averages is about to catch up). Before starting out, I posted some thoughts on RTWs ex-MRU and I’ll add some further thoughts in the next few days.
Oct 26, 2006, 3:26 pm
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Originally Posted by ReelChief
......I’ve just returned to the US from flying the first four segments (more than 18,000 miles all in First) of a AONE5 started in MRU a week ago.......I’ll add some further thoughts in the next few days.
Presumably you flew MRU-(JNB)-LHR-xxxxx as I can't find a way to fly First Class from JNB to the east unless going as far as SYD. Are there any flights to Asia where one can travel A, not D?
Also, please, is there an updated Excel spreadsheet available anywhere? The latest is dated early July 06?