Boggie Dog

The same lie can only be used for so long, even TSA knows that. TSA must have hired grifters for their academy.

InkUnderNails

"Groin area" includes genitals in the same way the New York area includes New Jersey.

chollie

My worst nightmare was living in a 'papers, please' society where I had to produce papers on demand.

Now I live in a society where I have to spread my legs on demand.

Loren Pechtel

Unfortunately, that's a good idea.

flyingmango

I'm not paying for the room would be my response. And I don't kiss on the first date. Things are really ridiculous in the states. Luckily I can avoid it as I hit stateside maybe once a year. I feel for my fellow travellers.

InkUnderNails

Odd one on Tuesday. I am PC and got a random through the metal detector. Had to use the NOS. I took nothing out of my pockets. I left my belt on. I had an electronic device around my neck that interfaces with hearing aids (medical), pockets full of paper and other items and shoes on. I thought I would get a plethora of "alarms." They only needed to check my right ankle and the small of my back.

What was this?

I then got a very perfunctory bag rape. I always get these, some worse than others.

petaluma1

I thought SOP for any kind of an alarm on NOS was a full body grope, which was instituted because screeners have "cognitive burdens" in determining which search to use.

So you are saying although you had all this forbidden matter on you, the machine alarmed only on your right ankle and the small of your back, where nothing was found?

sbrower

Well, all of your concerns about a pro se are duly noted. However, notwithstanding the judge's comments about some of those problems, yesterday (7/11/17) he issued a 29 page opinion which logically and clearly stepped through the Bivens analysis and, while the judge expressed significant concerns about proof and procedure, he found that the TSA arguments about "national security" concerns were not supported, that their contention about an "alternative remedy" going through the TSA contact center was worthless, and he denied qualified immunity. So the case is going to proceed. Congratulations to a tenacious plaintiff.

nachtnebel

thanks for the update. ha. so the pro se is makin' em sweat! good!

Boggie Dog

Is a link to the courts opinion available?

sbrower

I found it on Pacer where I have a subscription. Send me an email and I will send a copy to you.

studentff

https://docs.justia.com/cases/federa...0013/357297/70

I think this is it, and I have no subscriptions.

Congrats to the plaintiff and good luck. If I read this right and especially if he has any additional success, risk of screeners being sued individually might deter the sort of abuses that we hear about so often.

ysolde

I really love flying. It's the TSA grope that I find humiliating and sometimes terrifying. I am in a wheelchair. Having random strangers run their hands up and down my body, feel my breasts, run their hands (and sometimes fingers) into my vaginal area, makes me consider each trip carefully. I have cut back on travel each year, as my tolerance for this stuff simply decreases. None of this makes me feel safer. It makes me feel sad. And violated.

InkUnderNails

Yes. Furthermore, I know it was a random because I was a full step outside the metal detector before it beeped, long enough that I thought maybe someone had come through behind me. When I was asked to step into the NOS I assumed that it was just as a passage to the area where I would be frisked so I walked completely through without stopping. The screener stopped me and said that I should go back and stand on footprints. All of this time I am taking a mental inventory of everything that will alarm and I am certain the display will light up like the White House Christmas tree. Nope. Ankle and small of back both places where there was nothing to find. The little device for my hearing aids was on a strap under my shirt and sort of looks like a detonator from the movies.

https://www.amazon.com/Hearing-Aid-S...ticon+streamer

I do not travel as much as I used to, but the TSA continues to surprise me.

Boggie Dog

I see on page seven a mention of two FT members, past or present.