TSA wants to get more intimate when doing passenger pat downs.
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Your defense: "contact with Plaintiff’s head, if any at all, was incidental and occurred through the course of a typical security pat-down."
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Soooo, you are suggesting that violence against the TSO is the correct answer in these situations? Please, detail how that works out for you when you do it, I would be interested in how it goes.
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I've been accidentally hit in the groin enough over the years in sporting events that I plan to win an Oscar should I ever be groped. Of course, being intentionally hit in the groin by a clerk might be completely different.
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However, I do not think TSA screeners should be protected by immunity in an effort to limit travelers rights to seek justice from TSA. Why should they? TSA screeners are not law enforcement. TSA screeners are suppose to screen passengers and their belongings in accordance with a set of rules, secret rules which is a problem, and nothing more. Nothing in that job suggests immunity is needed.
If a TSA employee violates a rule or operates outside of those rules then they should be held personally accountable. Not really a new concept.
Doesn't TSA and other TSA employees expect and want their fellow workers to operate within the bounds of TSA screener policy? Isn't ensuring that all screeners operate within those guidelines the best thing for TSA?
I just don't see the resistance on this point but TSA certainly doesn't seem to want its employees held accountable.
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Battery is battery. You grab someone's crotch? You should expect an automatic instinctual reaction.
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And I suspect it's a requirement of male screeners so they can better ogle females in the scanner.
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I wonder if they also ask men with boobs and steroid-addicted body builders to arch their backs.
Why not ask males to do a pelvic thrust while they're at it?
If TSA HQ does not denounce this, it will be clear evidence that the practice is at least endorsed, if not ordered, at the highest levels.
Why not ask males to do a pelvic thrust while they're at it?
If TSA HQ does not denounce this, it will be clear evidence that the practice is at least endorsed, if not ordered, at the highest levels.
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I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting violence against anyone. You know as well as I that some comments are said in jest.
However, I do not think TSA screeners should be protected by immunity in an effort to limit travelers rights to seek justice from TSA. Why should they? TSA screeners are not law enforcement. TSA screeners are suppose to screen passengers and their belongings in accordance with a set of rules, secret rules which is a problem, and nothing more. Nothing in that job suggests immunity is needed.
If a TSA employee violates a rule or operates outside of those rules then they should be held personally accountable. Not really a new concept.
Doesn't TSA and other TSA employees expect and want their fellow workers to operate within the bounds of TSA screener policy? Isn't ensuring that all screeners operate within those guidelines the best thing for TSA?
I just don't see the resistance on this point but TSA certainly doesn't seem to want its employees held accountable.
However, I do not think TSA screeners should be protected by immunity in an effort to limit travelers rights to seek justice from TSA. Why should they? TSA screeners are not law enforcement. TSA screeners are suppose to screen passengers and their belongings in accordance with a set of rules, secret rules which is a problem, and nothing more. Nothing in that job suggests immunity is needed.
If a TSA employee violates a rule or operates outside of those rules then they should be held personally accountable. Not really a new concept.
Doesn't TSA and other TSA employees expect and want their fellow workers to operate within the bounds of TSA screener policy? Isn't ensuring that all screeners operate within those guidelines the best thing for TSA?
I just don't see the resistance on this point but TSA certainly doesn't seem to want its employees held accountable.
I have never said that TSOs that go outside of the SOP should have immunity. I believe that TSOs that violate SOP should be subject to proper action - in some cases, it can be retraining, in others it requires removal and prosecution. I have not altered my position on operating outside the SOP in memory.
Again, when you do this, please keep us updated. I am interested in how it would work out for you - as you say battery is battery.
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I have never said that TSOs that go outside of the SOP should have immunity. I believe that TSOs that violate SOP should be subject to proper action - in some cases, it can be retraining, in others it requires removal and prosecution. I have not altered my position on operating outside the SOP in memory.
That's why it was (and still is) legal for TSA to confiscate my medical nitro pills.
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