TSA wants to get more intimate when doing passenger pat downs.
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I agree completely. What really makes one grasp at TSA's reasoning is how a grope down mitigates an alarm on some other physical item. The same logic would suggest that if passenger A alarms the screening for that alarm should be a carry on bag.
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The first paragraph of her Facebook post (emphasis added):
I finally received a call from TSA's civil rights and liberties division. Yesterday evening we conferenced with several of their representatives at headquarters for over an hour. They have suggested to me a 3 part plan to help address the shortcomings that led to the situation on Sunday and did apologize for our experience that day.
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"Now that you've completed touching me, I feel I should inform you that my doctor has informed me that I have been colonized by an aggressive form of MRSA. If I had known your patdown was going to be so invasive I would have informed you in advance. You may want to ask your doctor about if you should complete a course of aggressive antibiotics first."
And then just walk off leave the "office" wondering how sick he's going to get...
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You won't see the "apology" in action at the airport.
The "apology" from the TSA was so "meaningful" that the TSA was doing this same thing to children and adults at airports even after the "apology" too, yesterday included.
The TSA "apology" is just cheap words when the manifested intent is to continue with the same fondling of genitals that they did to her son and to co-opt the complaint and complainant in order to do so.
The "apology" from the TSA was so "meaningful" that the TSA was doing this same thing to children and adults at airports even after the "apology" too, yesterday included.
The TSA "apology" is just cheap words when the manifested intent is to continue with the same fondling of genitals that they did to her son and to co-opt the complaint and complainant in order to do so.
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You won't see the "apology" in action at the airport.
The "apology" from the TSA was so "meaningful" that the TSA was doing this same thing to children and adults at airports even after the "apology" too, yesterday included.
The TSA "apology" is just cheap words when the manifested intent is to continue with the same fondling of genitals that they did to her son and to co-opt the complaint and complainant in order to do so.
The "apology" from the TSA was so "meaningful" that the TSA was doing this same thing to children and adults at airports even after the "apology" too, yesterday included.
The TSA "apology" is just cheap words when the manifested intent is to continue with the same fondling of genitals that they did to her son and to co-opt the complaint and complainant in order to do so.
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That's their standard drivel: "We regret that the passenger was upset by the screening experience." or something like that.
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Even if the TSA were to give a verbal apology for engaging in disturbing actions, their actions speak louder than their words: the TSA is still feeling up passengers' genitals in the very same way as they did to the boy.
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I propose a Depends week at the airport. Every passenger would wear a Depends undergarment through security to bring TSA to a halt. :-)
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Had an interesting variation this week... screener insisted that I stand with one leg forward when he did the groin-chop move. Not sure what his motivation was but it ensured an additional two genital contacts during the screening.
Four instances of direct genital contact in one screening.
At this same checkpoint, the MMW was throwing alarms on nearly every passenger. Long patdowns. Don't worry, they let around 10 people go thru the WTMD while I was waiting for my patdown, since the MMW was so slow.
Four instances of direct genital contact in one screening.
At this same checkpoint, the MMW was throwing alarms on nearly every passenger. Long patdowns. Don't worry, they let around 10 people go thru the WTMD while I was waiting for my patdown, since the MMW was so slow.
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But even a poor non-apology is still technically an apology.
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I don't disagree. And, of course, what we have is the report of what the mother said TSA said, rather than a direct statement from TSA. It's hard to tell what form the apology took without directly hearing the words.
But even a poor non-apology is still technically an apology.
But even a poor non-apology is still technically an apology.
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Even if the laptop alarmed for explosive residue how does an aggressive pat down of this boy resolve that alarm? Why not use the one tool that TSA has that detects explosive residue? The evidence as seen in the video and using just simple logic points again to TSA retaliation, nothing more.
Laptop>laptop owner>TSA gloves>test strip
which is a really tenuous transfer chain to rely on if actual screening is the goal rather than a system of CYA processes.
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Just assuming what the TSA claims is the reason for the groping and using their logic, the swipe strip tested at the end of the grope tests for residue so therefore it's good enough to clear an alarm on the laptop that belongs to the boy.
Laptop>laptop owner>TSA gloves>test strip
which is a really tenuous transfer chain to rely on if actual screening is the goal rather than a system of CYA processes.
Laptop>laptop owner>TSA gloves>test strip
which is a really tenuous transfer chain to rely on if actual screening is the goal rather than a system of CYA processes.
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Either way, a full-body rubdown with multiple direct genital fondlings is certainly not for the purpose of gathering residue for an ETD test. TSA already has a procedure in place for that - directly swabbing the travelers' hands with the sampling swab.
One small glimmer of hope here is that TSA, for all of their abusiveness and bluster, <deleted by moderator>, so eventually the extra work this process generates for the rank and file TSOs at the checkpoint will cause them to complain up the pipeline, and the targeted area pat-down will be restored. How long that takes is anyone's guess, but much like the "NoS for everybody!" policy, the "sexual assault for everybody who alarms the NoS!" policy will simply be too much work for the average TSO, and slow down the lines too much, to continue indefinitely.
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