Jul 18, 2014, 8:16 am
Last edit by: Prospero
(Link) to “United Kingdom Air Passenger Duty (APD) Charged UK Departing Passengers”
Link to html full APD tax law
APD rates as of 01 Apr 2020:
Band A (0 to 2,000 miles) £13 Reduced, £26 Standard
Band B (anything over 2,000 miles): Reduced £80, Standard £176
Infants and children
“Children below the age of 2 years who are not allocated a separate seat before boarding the aircraft are not chargeable passengers. If a seat is purchased for the infant then APD is chargeable.
From 1 May 2015, children who are under the age of 12 years on the date of the flight, and in the lowest class of travel, are not chargeable passengers. Children 12 years and over, or travelling in any other class, are chargeable passengers and APD is due.
From 1 March 2016 children who are under the age of 16 years on the date of the flight, and in the lowest class of travel, are not chargeable passengers. Children 16 years and over, or travelling in any other class, are chargeable passengers and APD is due.”
General notes:
distances calculated between national capitals - e.g. HNL calculated as WAS.
Link to Source: U.K. Excise Notice 550: Air Passenger Duty
APD is due when passengers pay to upgrade any stage of their journey
N.B. Arriving at a UK airport will not incur APD. Connections with less than 24 hours will generally not require APD*; you may have to have the rate desk intervene if you are not on a through ticket. As noted, "band distance" is calculated Capital to Capital.
APD is not charged on flights originating in the Scottish Highlands (INV) or Islands. APD is not payable on direct, Band B, flights departing Northern Ireland.
* Connecting flights exemption (UK APD regulation)
“The connected flights must be detailed on the same ticket or conjunction tickets to qualify for the exemption. Tickets can only be regarded as conjunction tickets if:
a. they are in one booklet, or
b. where they are in separate booklets:
each refers to the other and states that they are to be read in conjunction
there is a summary of the flights constituting the passengers journey including the flights in question
Although the flights may meet all the other criteria for determining whether Two flights are connected, they will only qualify for the exemption if the connection is evidenced on the ticket or a flight summary.”
AA (c/o JonNYC, post #219):
septix by JonNYCme, on Flickr
Link to html full APD tax law
APD rates as of 01 Apr 2020:
Band A (0 to 2,000 miles) £13 Reduced, £26 Standard
Band B (anything over 2,000 miles): Reduced £80, Standard £176
Infants and children
“Children below the age of 2 years who are not allocated a separate seat before boarding the aircraft are not chargeable passengers. If a seat is purchased for the infant then APD is chargeable.
From 1 May 2015, children who are under the age of 12 years on the date of the flight, and in the lowest class of travel, are not chargeable passengers. Children 12 years and over, or travelling in any other class, are chargeable passengers and APD is due.
From 1 March 2016 children who are under the age of 16 years on the date of the flight, and in the lowest class of travel, are not chargeable passengers. Children 16 years and over, or travelling in any other class, are chargeable passengers and APD is due.”
General notes:
distances calculated between national capitals - e.g. HNL calculated as WAS.
Link to Source: U.K. Excise Notice 550: Air Passenger Duty
APD is due when passengers pay to upgrade any stage of their journey
N.B. Arriving at a UK airport will not incur APD. Connections with less than 24 hours will generally not require APD*; you may have to have the rate desk intervene if you are not on a through ticket. As noted, "band distance" is calculated Capital to Capital.
APD is not charged on flights originating in the Scottish Highlands (INV) or Islands. APD is not payable on direct, Band B, flights departing Northern Ireland.
* Connecting flights exemption (UK APD regulation)
“The connected flights must be detailed on the same ticket or conjunction tickets to qualify for the exemption. Tickets can only be regarded as conjunction tickets if:
a. they are in one booklet, or
b. where they are in separate booklets:
each refers to the other and states that they are to be read in conjunction
there is a summary of the flights constituting the passengers journey including the flights in question
Although the flights may meet all the other criteria for determining whether Two flights are connected, they will only qualify for the exemption if the connection is evidenced on the ticket or a flight summary.”
AA (c/o JonNYC, post #219):
septix by JonNYCme, on Flickr
UK APD / Air Passenger Duty charged for UK departures (Master Thread)
Jan 19, 2017, 4:27 pm
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That makes sense- was gonna recommend another browser or whatever. But whatever this new FT thing is could very well be an issue as well, it's weird.
Jan 20, 2017, 10:51 am
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Mar 5, 2017, 2:48 pm
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I bought an AA ticket and an AY ticket a few months later. The relevant segments are:
AY: OSL-HEL-LHR
-connecting to with a 6h connection-
AA: LHR-LAX-SFO
Has anyone successfully got an agent to refund the "reduced" APD of 73 GBP? I called in and they denied me, saying that they could have done something if the tickets were purchased on the same day, but since they were not they couldn't do anything.
He said the extra APD from the SWU would be waived once cleared but not the "reduced" APD as they can only modify on the same day.
Should I just HUCA? Smells like BS to me...
AY: OSL-HEL-LHR
-connecting to with a 6h connection-
AA: LHR-LAX-SFO
Has anyone successfully got an agent to refund the "reduced" APD of 73 GBP? I called in and they denied me, saying that they could have done something if the tickets were purchased on the same day, but since they were not they couldn't do anything.
He said the extra APD from the SWU would be waived once cleared but not the "reduced" APD as they can only modify on the same day.
Should I just HUCA? Smells like BS to me...
Mar 5, 2017, 3:26 pm
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I bought an AA ticket and an AY ticket a few months later. The relevant segments are:
AY: OSL-HEL-LHR
-connecting to with a 6h connection-
AA: LHR-LAX-SFO
Has anyone successfully got an agent to refund the "reduced" APD of 73 GBP? I called in and they denied me, saying that they could have done something if the tickets were purchased on the same day, but since they were not they couldn't do anything.
He said the extra APD from the SWU would be waived once cleared but not the "reduced" APD as they can only modify on the same day.
Should I just HUCA? Smells like BS to me...
AY: OSL-HEL-LHR
-connecting to with a 6h connection-
AA: LHR-LAX-SFO
Has anyone successfully got an agent to refund the "reduced" APD of 73 GBP? I called in and they denied me, saying that they could have done something if the tickets were purchased on the same day, but since they were not they couldn't do anything.
He said the extra APD from the SWU would be waived once cleared but not the "reduced" APD as they can only modify on the same day.
Should I just HUCA? Smells like BS to me...
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Mar 5, 2017, 4:25 pm
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I'm thinking the agent is meaning it can be done if you had requested it same day you made the reservation. At this point the ticket has been issued and refunding the taxes would mean reissuing the ticket. I know AA will waive the taxes if you request before the ticket is issued. I however don't know their policy when the ticket has already been issued.
Jun 26, 2017, 10:01 pm
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As discussed extensively in this thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...er-thread.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...er-thread.html
Jun 26, 2017, 10:12 pm
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It is possible to avoid APD if you are merely transiting through the UK and the departure flight is less than 24hrs from the arrival flight.
Jun 26, 2017, 10:23 pm
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And it would cost the same in APD (airport departure duty) to upgrade from economy to premium economy, or to First as anything above economy class is charged at 2x the economy rate.
It is possible to avoid APD if you are merely transiting through the UK and the departure flight is less than 24hrs from the arrival flight.
It is possible to avoid APD if you are merely transiting through the UK and the departure flight is less than 24hrs from the arrival flight.
I am flying AMS-LHR-LAX today on a cleared SWU from Y to J and I was not charged anything extra.
Jun 26, 2017, 10:58 pm
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Jun 27, 2017, 4:40 am
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The APD is a "luxury tax".
The (France)CDG goes to Unitaid an endeavor to help "poor" countries eliminate disease.
The passenger pays in any event...but for the French tax you are paying it for humanitarian purposes.
PS: Independent of the TAX, both LHR and CDG IMHO are not "nice" airports to transit through.
The (France)CDG goes to Unitaid an endeavor to help "poor" countries eliminate disease.
The passenger pays in any event...but for the French tax you are paying it for humanitarian purposes.
PS: Independent of the TAX, both LHR and CDG IMHO are not "nice" airports to transit through.
Mar 4, 2018, 1:35 am
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Was wondering whether anybody had any luck getting APD refund on separate tickets from BA. I found some older discussion threads, but actual experiences (eg I asked CS, they said, YES/NO; I pursued legal challenge based on HMRC definition and got money/lost money), would be useful.