Jul 21, 2015, 3:15 am
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LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Code:
F-GSPA – NEV4 F-GSPE – NEV4 F-GSPM – NEV4 F-GSPZ – NEV4
Code:
F-GSPD F-GSPP
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Code:
F-GSPB – BEST F-GSPC – BEST F-GSPF – BEST F-GSPG – BEST F-GSPH – BEST F-GSPI – BEST F-GSPJ - BEST F-GSPK – BEST F-GSPQ – BEST F-GSPR – BEST F-GSPS – BEST F-GSPT – BEST F-GSPU – BEST F-GSPV – BEST F-GSPX – BEST F-GSPY – BESTor
Code:
F-GSPL – BEST F-GSPO – BEST F-GSPN – BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Code:
All Converted to BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Code:
F-GSQD – NEV4 F-GSQE – NEV4 F-GZNH – NEV4 F-GZNI – NEV4 F-GZNJ - NEV4 F-GZNK – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Code:
F-GSQA – BEST F-GSQB – BEST F-GSQC – BEST F-GSQF – BEST F-GSQG – BEST F-GSQH – BEST F-GSQI – BEST F-GSQJ – BEST F-GSQK – BEST F-GSQL – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GSQM – BEST F-GSQU - BEST F-GSQV – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GZNA – BEST F-GZNB - BEST F-GZNC – BEST F-GZND - BEST F-GZNE – BESTor
Code:
F-GSQN – NEV4 F-GSQO – NEV4 F-GSQP – NEV4 F-GSQR – NEV4 F-GSQS – NEV4 F-GSQT – NEV4 F-GSQX – NEV4 F-GZNF – NEV4 F-GZNG – NEV4 F-GZNL – NEV4 F-GZNN – NEV4 F-GZNO – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
Code:
F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015) F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015) F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015) F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)
777 New Cabins - Deployment Schedule
Jul 13, 2017, 12:31 pm
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Just to be clear, because I am planning a business trip out in early December ... they took the upgraded biz class seats off the NRT route but they are still on the HND routes? It's a slog of a trip (around the world) so lying flat for sleep is key ... or we will go through Amsterdam on KLM 777.
Thank you!
EDIT: Okay did my own research (forgive the rookie poster) - currently the AF website shows the new biz class on the HND flights and the old on NRT directs. Should I be confident for a trip in December it will remain that way? Anyone with experience on that?
Thank you!
EDIT: Okay did my own research (forgive the rookie poster) - currently the AF website shows the new biz class on the HND flights and the old on NRT directs. Should I be confident for a trip in December it will remain that way? Anyone with experience on that?
I don't think the NEV seats are too bad for sleeping. I find BEST hurts my back after a few hours.
In my experience of this route the seats advertised now are always what they deliver but that's not a guarantee because I don't know what happens on days I'm not traveling ;-)
Jul 25, 2017, 10:26 am
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I think we can close this thread. I have done some research and it looks as if all B777-200ER are now with BEST seats, and that all B777-300ER are now in their final state (with P/BEST, NEV4, COI).
Which then makes it fairly simple to identify whether your flight has BEST or not:
Which begs the question where they stand on the A330s, and whether a new thread should be opened. Anyone has info on the A330 conversion programme? Some BEST A330 already flying?
Which then makes it fairly simple to identify whether your flight has BEST or not:
- If the flight is on a B772, then it has BEST
- If the flight is on a B789, then it has BEST
- If the flight is on a B77W and has P, then it has BEST
- All other longhaul planes have NEV4
Which begs the question where they stand on the A330s, and whether a new thread should be opened. Anyone has info on the A330 conversion programme? Some BEST A330 already flying?
Jul 25, 2017, 12:10 pm
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I think we can close this thread. I have done some research and it looks as if all B777-200ER are now with BEST seats, and that all B777-300ER are now in their final state (with P/BEST, NEV4, COI).
Which then makes it fairly simple to identify whether your flight has BEST or not:
Which then makes it fairly simple to identify whether your flight has BEST or not:
- If the flight is on a B772, then it has BEST
- If the flight is on a B789, then it has BEST
- If the flight is on a B77W and has P, then it has BEST
- All other longhaul planes have NEV4
I suggest to de-stick this thread. @moderators : what's your opinion ?
the last news are here. I don't think any retrofit has started yet.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-f...50s-a330s.html
Jul 25, 2017, 2:00 pm
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Although I did identify at least one frame that spent a full month on the ground in CDG, so in the "garage". In normal times this is just a C check, but in times of cabin refurbishments this is typically also the time when new seats are put on board the planes.
Quite shocking actually to have an airline that has pledged to refurbish its planes not to have a single plane currently undergoing refurbishment.
Quite shocking actually to have an airline that has pledged to refurbish its planes not to have a single plane currently undergoing refurbishment.
Jul 25, 2017, 7:25 pm
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Although I did identify at least one frame that spent a full month on the ground in CDG, so in the "garage". In normal times this is just a C check, but in times of cabin refurbishments this is typically also the time when new seats are put on board the planes.
Quite shocking actually to have an airline that has pledged to refurbish its planes not to have a single plane currently undergoing refurbishment.
Quite shocking actually to have an airline that has pledged to refurbish its planes not to have a single plane currently undergoing refurbishment.
Jul 26, 2017, 11:43 am
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Maybe just a summary sticky detailing AF fleet and the various versions. This would be of general interest to all AF flyers. Also mention that AF has a tradition of introducing and removing BEST on many routes.
Jul 26, 2017, 12:48 pm
#1042
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FWIW, I flew AMS-SFO recently on the KLM 787.
Pretty nice seats, though the cushions are contoured in such a way that it doesn't feel completely flat.
Here's hoping the AF flights between SFO and CDG all get BEST all the time, since KLM is doing it.
But AF may fly more flights per day or week than KLM does to SFO.
Pretty nice seats, though the cushions are contoured in such a way that it doesn't feel completely flat.
Here's hoping the AF flights between SFO and CDG all get BEST all the time, since KLM is doing it.
But AF may fly more flights per day or week than KLM does to SFO.
Jul 29, 2017, 2:42 pm
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I also agree that this thread can be removed from sticky (and perhaps closed) as the title and most of the discussions are related to the BEST deployment schedule. What I suggest is the following:
1- Removing the current thread from sticky and renaming it to BEST routes/seat discussions only
2- Create a sticky master AF Longhaul thread indicating which airplanes have which version of seats.
1- Removing the current thread from sticky and renaming it to BEST routes/seat discussions only
2- Create a sticky master AF Longhaul thread indicating which airplanes have which version of seats.
Jul 30, 2017, 8:09 pm
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So do all 4-class 77Ws have the New First seats?
Jul 30, 2017, 11:50 pm
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Aug 3, 2017, 3:32 pm
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So it seems that the COI 77Ws are getting BEST by 2019 (which in real terms means by the 2024 Olympics 
)
http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/ne...7-get-makeover
)
Moreover, as of the end of 2019, the company plans to install a new cabin with new seats on the Boeing 777-14J serving the Caribbean and Indian Ocean network.
Aug 3, 2017, 4:23 pm
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So it seems that the COI 77Ws are getting BEST by 2019 (which in real terms means by the 2024 Olympics )
http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/ne...7-get-makeover
)http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/ne...7-get-makeover
So they have already retrofitted 19 B77W and no they announce the COI fleet. As per the wiki there are 12 COI planes, so this will be 31 out of 43. So there is still the unknown case of the remaining 12 are those in NEV4 config "loisirs". Some of the concerned planes are very recent (and were delivered with NEV4 seats while BEST was being deployed on older birds)...
And if I read correctly, for the A330, they start end 2018 ? Or is this the end date I believe it is the former.
Aug 3, 2017, 6:11 pm
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so slow...
So they have already retrofitted 19 B77W and no they announce the COI fleet. As per the wiki there are 12 COI planes, so this will be 31 out of 43. So there is still the unknown case of the remaining 12 are those in NEV4 config "loisirs". Some of the concerned planes are very recent (and were delivered with NEV4 seats while BEST was being deployed on older birds)...
And if I read correctly, for the A330, they start end 2018 ? Or is this the end date I believe it is the former.
So they have already retrofitted 19 B77W and no they announce the COI fleet. As per the wiki there are 12 COI planes, so this will be 31 out of 43. So there is still the unknown case of the remaining 12 are those in NEV4 config "loisirs". Some of the concerned planes are very recent (and were delivered with NEV4 seats while BEST was being deployed on older birds)...
And if I read correctly, for the A330, they start end 2018 ? Or is this the end date I believe it is the former.
Aug 4, 2017, 7:41 am
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The way I read the official announcement is that the retrofit of A330 will start end-2018 and retrofit of 777 COI will start end-2019. I think that the text, both in French and English, is quite clear. And if there is doubt, it seems obvious that the less optimistic interpretation is in order.
That being said, all AF formal or informal announcements have to be taken with a big pinch of doubt.
For the A330, they first announced 2016, then they officially announced that it would use Zodiac seats and start in 2017:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-f...nd-2017-a.html
Then an informal announcement blogger stated that A330 will get Equinox seat with a retrofit starting end-2018 and additional 77W COI starting 2019:
http://thetravelersclub.boardingarea...r-dair-france/
This new formal announcement more or less confirms that blog.
It should be stressed that AF use a different wording for A330 ad B77W. The A330 retrofit is clearly in process, meaning that seats have been selected and probably ordered. But the 77W COI is still in planning stage ("prevoit"). So there is plenty of time for changes.
AF got a new CEO and a big cash inflow, so investment planning might be easier.
That being said, all AF formal or informal announcements have to be taken with a big pinch of doubt.
For the A330, they first announced 2016, then they officially announced that it would use Zodiac seats and start in 2017:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-f...nd-2017-a.html
Then an informal announcement blogger stated that A330 will get Equinox seat with a retrofit starting end-2018 and additional 77W COI starting 2019:
http://thetravelersclub.boardingarea...r-dair-france/
This new formal announcement more or less confirms that blog.
It should be stressed that AF use a different wording for A330 ad B77W. The A330 retrofit is clearly in process, meaning that seats have been selected and probably ordered. But the 77W COI is still in planning stage ("prevoit"). So there is plenty of time for changes.
AF got a new CEO and a big cash inflow, so investment planning might be easier.
Aug 19, 2017, 9:23 am
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Sorry if I'm not understanding this correctly (I'm a DL thread reader, who is booking an award flight on AF with DL points) - Are there no more modifications for the 777s being made until 2019? I'm looking at flying SFO - CDG - TNR all on AF in J and the only award availablity is on the 777-300 ER (with 2-3-2 layout in J), but am hoping they will install the new seats by the time I take my trip in July 2018.