Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Dec 11, 2013, 7:11 pm
#31
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Location: Ontario, CAN
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Flew the new UA seats last month: 
yes the seats are wider - that's because the armrests are 2" wide. Sat next to a control freak who wanted those 2" and then some. No IFE (seatbacks are too thin), no plug-in for USB, power, or listening to ATC, skinny backs means plastic means Hard!
yes the seats are wider - that's because the armrests are 2" wide. Sat next to a control freak who wanted those 2" and then some. No IFE (seatbacks are too thin), no plug-in for USB, power, or listening to ATC, skinny backs means plastic means Hard!I'm disappointed AC selected the MAX but understand it's a business decision. The Sky interior and strong IFE will compensate for the reduced shoulder room
Strong rumors had AA going all-Airbus until a last-minute too-good-to-refuse offer from Boeing. Sound familiar?
I get the feeling MAX is inferior to NEO by a wide margin. Superior produts don't need deep last minute price slash and/or taking on unwanted metal to sell
Dec 11, 2013, 7:18 pm
#32
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Hopefully AC orders padding in the seats.
Dec 11, 2013, 8:08 pm
#37
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I think it's a good decision. With the new 777 & 787, AC will become a majority Boeing fleet allowing for streamlined maintenance and I would expect easier integration of crews. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's easier to train up in the Boeing family once a pilot is used to the Boeing controls. I would expect that this will reduce the cost of training etc.
It is also my understanding that Boeing purchases more parts and services from Canada than does the EADS group who try to keep purchases in the EU. That means the potential for more spinoffs in Canada. I admit to being biased against Airbus as I think Boeing is one of the better multinational companies and has a history of reliability and quality. I loved the B767 and love the B777 too.
I'm a picky flier and the Westjet configs suit me fine. I usually use it on the YVR-YYZ/YUL flights. However, what I fear is that AC is going to go the sardine packing way and stuff as many pax onto the plane as it can legally get away with.
In any case, this will make it easier for WestJet to combine fleets when it eventually takes over AC.
It is also my understanding that Boeing purchases more parts and services from Canada than does the EADS group who try to keep purchases in the EU. That means the potential for more spinoffs in Canada. I admit to being biased against Airbus as I think Boeing is one of the better multinational companies and has a history of reliability and quality. I loved the B767 and love the B777 too.
I'm a picky flier and the Westjet configs suit me fine. I usually use it on the YVR-YYZ/YUL flights. However, what I fear is that AC is going to go the sardine packing way and stuff as many pax onto the plane as it can legally get away with.
In any case, this will make it easier for WestJet to combine fleets when it eventually takes over AC.
Dec 11, 2013, 8:22 pm
#39
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Dec 11, 2013, 9:32 pm
#41
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True, but not at all relevant since it appears the Harper regime had nothing to do with this purchase (I don't know that financing details have been released at this point).
Dec 11, 2013, 9:36 pm
#42
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Any chance the pilots could kill this, like they did to the 777 order initially?
IMHO, this is a very bad move for AC on so many levels. And definitely from a customer service point of view. Not only the interior dimensions, but containerizing the baggage meant that even during rainstorms, suitcases wouldn't generally get wet because they'd be unloaded from the containers indoors. If there was a few dollars difference in the price of a flight, I'd gladly take AC to fly on the A320-series or the A330. But now, forget it, may as well burn my Aeroplan card as I am terribly disappointed.
IMHO, this is a very bad move for AC on so many levels. And definitely from a customer service point of view. Not only the interior dimensions, but containerizing the baggage meant that even during rainstorms, suitcases wouldn't generally get wet because they'd be unloaded from the containers indoors. If there was a few dollars difference in the price of a flight, I'd gladly take AC to fly on the A320-series or the A330. But now, forget it, may as well burn my Aeroplan card as I am terribly disappointed.
Dec 11, 2013, 10:05 pm
#43
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Pilot pay is negotiated largely on number of seats... AC will want pilots to work for A320 wages, when the average number of seats will likely increase due to the heavy weighting of the A321-sized 739 vs the 738. And I bet the pilots are annoyed with the contract they were forced onto with the A319s going Rouge for much less than they were being flown before.
Dangerous negotiating with a group who has a bone to pick.
Dec 11, 2013, 10:17 pm
#44
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I may be wrong, but I seem to remember something about pilots getting paid more for "heavier" aircraft. Because of the light weight composite material in the 787, pilots flying these aircraft would get paid less even though they were going to have longer range and more capacity than the 767. I thought the pilots and AC eventually agreed on what the pay scale should be for the 787 and that cleared the way for the purchase.
737's should fall into the traditional pay scale tables so I don't think the pilots will be able to object (plus it isn't as if 737's haven't been in the fleet before, via CP).
Dec 11, 2013, 10:56 pm
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