Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Dec 12, 2013, 10:22 pm
#76
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I'm far from being an AC fanboy, but why make this about AC? AC selected the 737 because they boeing gave them a better deal. It's about the economics.
Dec 12, 2013, 11:09 pm
#77
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It makes sense to go with one manufacturer for so many reasons. They obviously got a good deal as Boeing is trying to recapture lost market share and seems to be willing to do more than Airbus.
Now it will actually come down to soft product and that is where we shall see the real differences.
Dec 13, 2013, 6:19 am
#78
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No, I am saying people are more likely to get them in a 17 - 31 seat than in an 18 - 32. If you had read before posting, you would have got it.
Dec 13, 2013, 6:20 am
#79
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That would have been a real possibility. Air Canada is not known to pass up on opportunities to piss off its customers.
Dec 13, 2013, 7:53 am
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Airbus is on record saying they lost this deal on price. Guess some on this board would rather AC pay more than market price for their goods when it is well known the vast majority of AC's potential customers won't pay a penny more than the best price when selecting flights.
You agreed upthread AC has the right to offer products/svcs they think will best help their bottom line. Just as you have the right to choose another carrier. Seems they've made their decision but you want to sit around and whine incessantly. Time to put your big-boy pants on and find another carrier if AC doesn't do it for you.
Last edited by CloudsBelow; Dec 13, 2013 at 8:11 am
Dec 13, 2013, 8:25 am
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Dec 13, 2013, 8:40 am
#82
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Real question is if dismissing these to the benefit of the cheap hordes leads to an increase or a decrease in profit.
What I see right now is AC ignoring the issue completely in the BS they serve self-proclaimed "analysts." Who apparently will swallow anything as long as it's nicely packaged?
So yes, we understand the noise coming from AC management. Real question being, can they throw middle yield passengers to the wolves without consequences, or are they indulging in wishful thinking?
(As long as I manage to maintain SE status, I personally don't have much to complain about. However it appears that there are large numbers of lower end business travelers who might end up quite unhappy. All of that to lower the losses on even lower yield customers. Not sure if it adds up. Not even sure if AC themselves truly believe in the BS.)
Dec 13, 2013, 8:53 am
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The strategy has been announced: sardine can across the board. Look at the 787. Can you seriously expect better?
Dec 13, 2013, 9:06 am
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Dec 13, 2013, 9:20 am
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What are you comparing it to? What time in history do you want AC to replicate? Was it a year they lost loads of money?
Dec 13, 2013, 10:22 am
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It is the work effort and costs of the above paragraph that dictate all airlines have one set standard width seat for each airplane. For example UA and DL both fly the 320 and 738; but each airline must pick the seats that are configured for the aircraft.
Dec 13, 2013, 10:27 am
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However, going to the other extreme does not smell right either. Filling a large number of seats at fares below average costs was precisely what led to the demise of many airlines back in the days when they all had to have 747s as status symbols, which they could never fill. Higher fares for profit, lower fares for cash flow. Will work only if the latter are few.
Takes lots of rock bottom customers and still at relatively high fares to balance the loss of mid-range more frequent travelers.
I only hear AC talking about lower unit costs, while corresponding fares does not seem to enter the equation.
Dec 13, 2013, 10:33 am
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Most likely Boeing will take a loss on the transaction when the resell the E90s. Boeing took a similar hit one the purchase of 343 from SQ.