Jun 23, 2013, 10:09 pm
Last edit by: imverge
Aeroplan fuel surcharges (YQ) collected on the following airlines:
Air Canada (AC)
Lufthansa (LH)
All Nippon Airways (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Thai (TG)
Austrian Airlines (OS)
LOT Polish Airlines (LO)
TAP Portugal (TP)
Adria Airways (JP)
Aeroplan fuel surcharges (YQ) NOT charged on these airlines:
Aegean Airlines (A3)
Air China (CA)
Air India (AI)
Air New Zealand (NZ)
Avianca/TACA (AV)
Brussels (SN)
Copa (CM)
Croatia (OU)
EgyptAir (MS)
Ethiopian (ET)
Eva Air (BR)
SAS (SK)
Shenzhen (ZH)
Singapore (SQ)
South African Airways (SA)
Swiss (LX)
Turkish (TK)
United (UA)
*Keep in mind AC charges YQ for the entire trip sometimes, so if you do YYZ-PVG-MEL on AC/CA or YYZ-NRT-AKL on AC/NZ, even though the last two segments are not supposed to be charged YQ - AC will charge YQ based on distance of YYZ-MEL/AKL.
Aeroplan's last official statement on fuel surcharges including an important statement that all fuel surcharges are requested by AC, and not by AE or the operating carriers: All fuel surcharge amounts are applied by Aeroplan on behalf of the ticketing carrier and are passed through directly to the ticketing carrier.
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Air Canada (AC)
Lufthansa (LH)
All Nippon Airways (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Thai (TG)
Austrian Airlines (OS)
LOT Polish Airlines (LO)
TAP Portugal (TP)
Adria Airways (JP)
Aeroplan fuel surcharges (YQ) NOT charged on these airlines:
Aegean Airlines (A3)
Air China (CA)
Air India (AI)
Air New Zealand (NZ)
Avianca/TACA (AV)
Brussels (SN)
Copa (CM)
Croatia (OU)
EgyptAir (MS)
Ethiopian (ET)
Eva Air (BR)
SAS (SK)
Shenzhen (ZH)
Singapore (SQ)
South African Airways (SA)
Swiss (LX)
Turkish (TK)
United (UA)
*Keep in mind AC charges YQ for the entire trip sometimes, so if you do YYZ-PVG-MEL on AC/CA or YYZ-NRT-AKL on AC/NZ, even though the last two segments are not supposed to be charged YQ - AC will charge YQ based on distance of YYZ-MEL/AKL.
Aeroplan's last official statement on fuel surcharges including an important statement that all fuel surcharges are requested by AC, and not by AE or the operating carriers: All fuel surcharge amounts are applied by Aeroplan on behalf of the ticketing carrier and are passed through directly to the ticketing carrier.
Should the status of any airline on the list please post in the thread or update this wiki. Members must be signed in to edit wiki, which can be minimized or maximized by clicking on [-] or [+] box upper right of post.
carriers with little or no fuel surcharges for award travel
Aug 25, 2014, 10:01 am
#136
Join Date: Jan 2014
Programs: Aeroplan
Posts: 243
We are booked from Toronto to Florence via Vienna on OS next July. Two Business seats with charges of $1,033.66 each.
In July, 2012 (booked in Aug. of 2011) I paid $125.00. In July, 2013 (booked in Aug. of 2012) I paid $525.00. Now OS charges the same as AC. I lucked out in 2012 by booking the previous Aug.
Austrian from Toronto now uses Tyrolean as the carrier (at least it did in 2013). In 2012 the plane was Austrian and it was nicer. Our connection from Vienna to Florence will be on a REALLY small plane - I guess the good news is that the runway in Florence is short.
In 2014 we were unable to get tickets via OS so we flew AC to Rome - and then had to make our way to Florence and back. Tuscany is always our destination.
Yes, taxes would have been a lot less on LOT - and I mean a lot less - but our preference is not to fly LOT - not everyone feels this way, but we do. And the return layover would have been a lot longer.
If we had not, or truthfully if I had not been able to get Business all of the way to Florence we would have purchased sale tickets in Economy - I would never have used points and paid the AE taxes. This is how my husband ended up in Y on sale tickets the past 2 years. But then he sleeps.
In July, 2012 (booked in Aug. of 2011) I paid $125.00. In July, 2013 (booked in Aug. of 2012) I paid $525.00. Now OS charges the same as AC. I lucked out in 2012 by booking the previous Aug.
Austrian from Toronto now uses Tyrolean as the carrier (at least it did in 2013). In 2012 the plane was Austrian and it was nicer. Our connection from Vienna to Florence will be on a REALLY small plane - I guess the good news is that the runway in Florence is short.
In 2014 we were unable to get tickets via OS so we flew AC to Rome - and then had to make our way to Florence and back. Tuscany is always our destination.
Yes, taxes would have been a lot less on LOT - and I mean a lot less - but our preference is not to fly LOT - not everyone feels this way, but we do. And the return layover would have been a lot longer.
If we had not, or truthfully if I had not been able to get Business all of the way to Florence we would have purchased sale tickets in Economy - I would never have used points and paid the AE taxes. This is how my husband ended up in Y on sale tickets the past 2 years. But then he sleeps.
Aug 25, 2014, 10:08 am
#137
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,098
We are booked from Toronto to Florence via Vienna on OS next July. Two Business seats with charges of $1,033.66 each.
In July, 2012 (booked in Aug. of 2011) I paid $125.00. In July, 2013 (booked in Aug. of 2012) I paid $525.00. Now OS charges the same as AC. I lucked out in 2012 by booking the previous Aug.
Austrian from Toronto now uses Tyrolean as the carrier (at least it did in 2013). In 2012 the plane was Austrian and it was nicer. Our connection from Vienna to Florence will be on a REALLY small plane - I guess the good news is that the runway in Florence is short.
In 2014 we were unable to get tickets via OS so we flew AC to Rome - and then had to make our way to Florence and back. Tuscany is always our destination.
Yes, taxes would have been a lot less on LOT - and I mean a lot less - but our preference is not to fly LOT - not everyone feels this way, but we do. And the return layover would have been a lot longer.
If we had not, or truthfully if I had not been able to get Business all of the way to Florence we would have purchased sale tickets in Economy - I would never have used points and paid the AE taxes. This is how my husband ended up in Y on sale tickets the past 2 years. But then he sleeps.
In July, 2012 (booked in Aug. of 2011) I paid $125.00. In July, 2013 (booked in Aug. of 2012) I paid $525.00. Now OS charges the same as AC. I lucked out in 2012 by booking the previous Aug.
Austrian from Toronto now uses Tyrolean as the carrier (at least it did in 2013). In 2012 the plane was Austrian and it was nicer. Our connection from Vienna to Florence will be on a REALLY small plane - I guess the good news is that the runway in Florence is short.
In 2014 we were unable to get tickets via OS so we flew AC to Rome - and then had to make our way to Florence and back. Tuscany is always our destination.
Yes, taxes would have been a lot less on LOT - and I mean a lot less - but our preference is not to fly LOT - not everyone feels this way, but we do. And the return layover would have been a lot longer.
If we had not, or truthfully if I had not been able to get Business all of the way to Florence we would have purchased sale tickets in Economy - I would never have used points and paid the AE taxes. This is how my husband ended up in Y on sale tickets the past 2 years. But then he sleeps.
Aug 25, 2014, 10:12 am
#138
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,363
FYI - the aircraft did not change when operations were taken over by Tyrolean.
Sep 19, 2014, 10:04 am
#140
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Sep 19, 2014, 10:25 am
#141
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE MM, Bonvoy Plat, Hilton G,Nexus, Amex MR Plat,IHG Plat
Posts: 4,428
Jan 18, 2015, 4:34 pm
#143
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 30
FTers,
On the WIKI of this thread, it states " *Keep in mind AC charges YQ for the entire trip sometimes, so if you do YYZ-PVG-MEL on AC/CA or YYZ-NRT-AKL on AC/NZ, even though the last two segments are not supposed to be charged YQ - AC will charge YQ based on distance of YYZ-MEL/AKL.
First question would be, how is this justified?
My second question would be, if you went YVR - HKG (STOP) HKG - PER (TURN AROUND) PER - HKG (STOP) HKG - YVR and the only legs that YQ could be charged on were the YVR - HKG legs, would you stilll be charged for the entire distance to PER being that they were not continuations since there was a stop over? Could that be calculated differenly than going YVR - PER (turn around)?
Any help that can be given would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
On the WIKI of this thread, it states " *Keep in mind AC charges YQ for the entire trip sometimes, so if you do YYZ-PVG-MEL on AC/CA or YYZ-NRT-AKL on AC/NZ, even though the last two segments are not supposed to be charged YQ - AC will charge YQ based on distance of YYZ-MEL/AKL.
First question would be, how is this justified?
My second question would be, if you went YVR - HKG (STOP) HKG - PER (TURN AROUND) PER - HKG (STOP) HKG - YVR and the only legs that YQ could be charged on were the YVR - HKG legs, would you stilll be charged for the entire distance to PER being that they were not continuations since there was a stop over? Could that be calculated differenly than going YVR - PER (turn around)?
Any help that can be given would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
Jan 18, 2015, 4:43 pm
#144
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,309
First question would be, how is this justified?
My second question would be, if you went YVR - HKG (STOP) HKG - PER (TURN AROUND) PER - HKG (STOP) HKG - YVR and the only legs that YQ could be charged on were the YVR - HKG legs, would you stilll be charged for the entire distance to PER being that they were not continuations since there was a stop over? Could that be calculated differenly than going YVR - PER (turn around)?
Any help that can be given would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
My second question would be, if you went YVR - HKG (STOP) HKG - PER (TURN AROUND) PER - HKG (STOP) HKG - YVR and the only legs that YQ could be charged on were the YVR - HKG legs, would you stilll be charged for the entire distance to PER being that they were not continuations since there was a stop over? Could that be calculated differenly than going YVR - PER (turn around)?
Any help that can be given would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
Trying it out in multicity, technically only YVR-HKG should be subject to YQ (about $200 - govt regulated - but the system comes back with CAD680 in YQ - which is coach YVR-Australia YQ
YVR-HKG (AC) stopover
HKG-SIN-PER (UA/SQ)
PER-SIN-HKG-YVR (SQ/AC)
Nice scam eh?
Jan 18, 2015, 4:49 pm
#145
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 30
Justified? AC is running a racketeering operation here using Aeroplan to collect money for them based on random amounts.
Trying it out in multicity, technically only YVR-HKG should be subject to YQ (about $200 - govt regulated - but the system comes back with CAD680 in YQ - which is coach YVR-Australia YQ
YVR-HKG (AC) stopover
HKG-SIN-PER (UA/SQ)
PER-SIN-HKG-YVR (SQ/AC)
Nice scam eh?
Trying it out in multicity, technically only YVR-HKG should be subject to YQ (about $200 - govt regulated - but the system comes back with CAD680 in YQ - which is coach YVR-Australia YQ
YVR-HKG (AC) stopover
HKG-SIN-PER (UA/SQ)
PER-SIN-HKG-YVR (SQ/AC)
Nice scam eh?
Jan 18, 2015, 4:53 pm
#146
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If you want to save money it will have to be BR/CA/UA with a connection.
Jan 18, 2015, 5:08 pm
#147
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
Justified? AC is running a racketeering operation here using Aeroplan to collect money for them based on random amounts.
Trying it out in multicity, technically only YVR-HKG should be subject to YQ (about $200 - govt regulated - but the system comes back with CAD680 in YQ - which is coach YVR-Australia YQ
YVR-HKG (AC) stopover
HKG-SIN-PER (UA/SQ)
PER-SIN-HKG-YVR (SQ/AC)
Nice scam eh?
Trying it out in multicity, technically only YVR-HKG should be subject to YQ (about $200 - govt regulated - but the system comes back with CAD680 in YQ - which is coach YVR-Australia YQ
YVR-HKG (AC) stopover
HKG-SIN-PER (UA/SQ)
PER-SIN-HKG-YVR (SQ/AC)
Nice scam eh?
A stop in HKG doesn't seem to lower YQ on AP or revenue tickets. It does though for tickets that O/D in HKG.
What is bull is when you price out the exact same itinerary in ITA and the YQ is magically 40% higher. Or the marked-up Nav Can fee which I don't see ever charged on revenue tickets either.
Jan 18, 2015, 5:16 pm
#148
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I realize that there are segments that don't have YQ on there, but my experience is that YQ is not a segment-by-segment basis and more how the fare is constructed (this works in your favour sometimes, e.g. flying LH from YYZ-FRA-SIN, where the YQ if done segment by segment is $750+ but about $400 or so when priced together.)
This is also where the whole argument of YQ going to the operating carrier/or its demanded by the operating airline falls apart, and further proves that all the money is going directly into Air Canada's pockets.
Yes, its nice when you can outwit them on their own scam in those rare situations
Jan 18, 2015, 6:23 pm
#149
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And therein lies a scam on top of a scam by Air Canada.
This is also where the whole argument of YQ going to the operating carrier/or its demanded by the operating airline falls apart, and further proves that all the money is going directly into Air Canada's pockets.
Yes, its nice when you can outwit them on their own scam in those rare situations
This is also where the whole argument of YQ going to the operating carrier/or its demanded by the operating airline falls apart, and further proves that all the money is going directly into Air Canada's pockets.
Yes, its nice when you can outwit them on their own scam in those rare situations
Jan 23, 2015, 9:21 am
#150
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: ARN
Programs: AC UA TK FI DL
Posts: 800
This needs to be a sticky, because there is a new question every second day on this topic!!
Can someone write up a process that can be followed, make it a wiki+sticky, so questions about scamcharges (how do I go to Europe/Asia without paying $1200 in fees) don't pop up daily?
* List of airlines without scamcharges (listed already)
* How to search using UA website or ANA website
* How to route via certain cities (as it seems like those are the only ones with availaibility)
* How to call Aeroplan and spoon feed and pay the fee
Can someone write up a process that can be followed, make it a wiki+sticky, so questions about scamcharges (how do I go to Europe/Asia without paying $1200 in fees) don't pop up daily?
* List of airlines without scamcharges (listed already)
* How to search using UA website or ANA website
* How to route via certain cities (as it seems like those are the only ones with availaibility)
* How to call Aeroplan and spoon feed and pay the fee
Last edited by iamaho; Jan 23, 2015 at 10:08 am