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Aeroplan fuel surcharges (YQ) collected on the following airlines:
Air Canada (AC)
Lufthansa (LH)
All Nippon Airways (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Thai (TG)
Austrian Airlines (OS)
LOT Polish Airlines (LO)
TAP Portugal (TP)
Adria Airways (JP)
Aeroplan fuel surcharges (YQ) NOT charged on these airlines:
Aegean Airlines (A3)
Air China (CA)
Air India (AI)
Air New Zealand (NZ)
Avianca/TACA (AV)
Brussels (SN)
Copa (CM)
Croatia (OU)
EgyptAir (MS)
Ethiopian (ET)
Eva Air (BR)
SAS (SK)
Shenzhen (ZH)
Singapore (SQ)
South African Airways (SA)
Swiss (LX)
Turkish (TK)
United (UA)
*Keep in mind AC charges YQ for the entire trip sometimes, so if you do YYZ-PVG-MEL on AC/CA or YYZ-NRT-AKL on AC/NZ, even though the last two segments are not supposed to be charged YQ - AC will charge YQ based on distance of YYZ-MEL/AKL.
Aeroplan's last official statement on fuel surcharges including an important statement that all fuel surcharges are requested by AC, and not by AE or the operating carriers: All fuel surcharge amounts are applied by Aeroplan on behalf of the ticketing carrier and are passed through directly to the ticketing carrier.
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Air Canada (AC)
Lufthansa (LH)
All Nippon Airways (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Thai (TG)
Austrian Airlines (OS)
LOT Polish Airlines (LO)
TAP Portugal (TP)
Adria Airways (JP)
Aeroplan fuel surcharges (YQ) NOT charged on these airlines:
Aegean Airlines (A3)
Air China (CA)
Air India (AI)
Air New Zealand (NZ)
Avianca/TACA (AV)
Brussels (SN)
Copa (CM)
Croatia (OU)
EgyptAir (MS)
Ethiopian (ET)
Eva Air (BR)
SAS (SK)
Shenzhen (ZH)
Singapore (SQ)
South African Airways (SA)
Swiss (LX)
Turkish (TK)
United (UA)
*Keep in mind AC charges YQ for the entire trip sometimes, so if you do YYZ-PVG-MEL on AC/CA or YYZ-NRT-AKL on AC/NZ, even though the last two segments are not supposed to be charged YQ - AC will charge YQ based on distance of YYZ-MEL/AKL.
Aeroplan's last official statement on fuel surcharges including an important statement that all fuel surcharges are requested by AC, and not by AE or the operating carriers: All fuel surcharge amounts are applied by Aeroplan on behalf of the ticketing carrier and are passed through directly to the ticketing carrier.
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carriers with little or no fuel surcharges for award travel
#1
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carriers with little or no fuel surcharges for award travel
I am about to convert my AMEX to points to aeroplan miles.
As far as I know Turkish United and US still don't charge fuel surcharges correct?
Any other that I am missing? Does matrix give accurate fuel surcharges for award tickets on European carriers?
As far as I know Turkish United and US still don't charge fuel surcharges correct?
Any other that I am missing? Does matrix give accurate fuel surcharges for award tickets on European carriers?
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Location: Canada
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Posts: 23,273
Scamcharges are collected and pocketed by Air Canada on the following airlines:
AC
LH
NH
OZ
TG
OS
LO
TP
JP
SN
Matrix is generally accurate - however Aeroplan may break down the YQ by segment - For example if going SIN-BKK-NRT - Matrix will have YQ for the entire fare - but Aeroplan will charge you seperate YQ for each segment.
Last edited by tcook052; Jun 23, 2013 at 10:10 pm Reason: add SN & JP to list
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Once more you are charging AC with fraud and in effect theft. Can you please provide evidence that the Fuel Surcharges are indeed kept by AC and not passed along to the respective carrier(s) as is the case with revenue tickets...as well as explain if this is AC's doing, why it is only applied to certain carriers which themselves levy the fuel surcharge on award tickets drawn on their own FF programs?
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Once more you are charging AC with fraud and in effect theft. Can you please provide evidence that the Fuel Surcharges are indeed kept by AC and not passed along to the respective carrier(s) as is the case with revenue tickets...as well as explain if this is AC's doing, why it is only applied to certain carriers which themselves levy the fuel surcharge on award tickets drawn on their own FF programs?
As for carriers which themselves levy the fuel surcharge on award tickets drawn on their own FF program - thats BS as well - LOT does not charge YQ on their redemptions to their own M&M members - yet AC does on LOT
TK does charge YQ - yet AC does not.
It has nothing to do with carriers charging their own members - its arbitrary based on some caluclation AC did.
And none of this was requested by the carriers (LH/NH/TG) overnight - because, unless AC is special, they would have requested same of UA/US - which then wouldve passed it onto the customer - unless of course they are eating the cost everytime they book an LH/TG/etc award ticket.........
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...-carriers.html
Matrix gives accurate fuel surcharge for revenue tickets, but this may not apply to redemption tickets. For example, you will see SK/LX charging fuel surcharge on paid tickets, but zero on award tickets.
#9
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 100
great tip
Similar thread for what you're looking for:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...-carriers.html
Matrix gives accurate fuel surcharge for revenue tickets, but this may not apply to redemption tickets. For example, you will see SK/LX charging fuel surcharge on paid tickets, but zero on award tickets.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...-carriers.html
Matrix gives accurate fuel surcharge for revenue tickets, but this may not apply to redemption tickets. For example, you will see SK/LX charging fuel surcharge on paid tickets, but zero on award tickets.
#10
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Toronto (YYZ)
Posts: 6,279
I recently booked the following using USAirways Miles:
YYZ > FRA LH J
FRA > BKK TG F
BKK > DXB TG J
DXB > FRA LH J
FRA > YYZ AC J
Total taxes and fees: $161.98and 140K miles ^
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Once more you are charging AC with fraud and in effect theft. Can you please provide evidence that the Fuel Surcharges are indeed kept by AC and not passed along to the respective carrier(s) as is the case with revenue tickets...as well as explain if this is AC's doing, why it is only applied to certain carriers which themselves levy the fuel surcharge on award tickets drawn on their own FF programs?
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Aeroplan has stated the charges were requested by the ticketing carrier. That is Air Canada. Thats where the money trail ends, until evidence is presented otherwise.
As for carriers which themselves levy the fuel surcharge on award tickets drawn on their own FF program - thats BS as well - LOT does not charge YQ on their redemptions to their own M&M members - yet AC does on LOT
TK does charge YQ - yet AC does not.
It has nothing to do with carriers charging their own members - its arbitrary based on some caluclation AC did.
And none of this was requested by the carriers (LH/NH/TG) overnight - because, unless AC is special, they would have requested same of UA/US - which then wouldve passed it onto the customer - unless of course they are eating the cost everytime they book an LH/TG/etc award ticket.........
As for carriers which themselves levy the fuel surcharge on award tickets drawn on their own FF program - thats BS as well - LOT does not charge YQ on their redemptions to their own M&M members - yet AC does on LOT
TK does charge YQ - yet AC does not.
It has nothing to do with carriers charging their own members - its arbitrary based on some caluclation AC did.
And none of this was requested by the carriers (LH/NH/TG) overnight - because, unless AC is special, they would have requested same of UA/US - which then wouldve passed it onto the customer - unless of course they are eating the cost everytime they book an LH/TG/etc award ticket.........
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Can you prove that AC is stealing this money and not passing it on to these carriers? If it is doing this, why not collect for every award and not just those carriers who themselves levy the surcharge on their own members' rewards?
I have challenged those who make this allegation to take AC to Consumer Affairs Canada where this can be proven and if true, AC fined and forced to refund these charges. None of you have made the move so I can only assume you know what you are saying is untrue.
I have challenged those who make this allegation to take AC to Consumer Affairs Canada where this can be proven and if true, AC fined and forced to refund these charges. None of you have made the move so I can only assume you know what you are saying is untrue.