Jun 23, 2013, 10:09 pm
Last edit by: imverge
Aeroplan fuel surcharges (YQ) collected on the following airlines:
Air Canada (AC)
Lufthansa (LH)
All Nippon Airways (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Thai (TG)
Austrian Airlines (OS)
LOT Polish Airlines (LO)
TAP Portugal (TP)
Adria Airways (JP)
Aeroplan fuel surcharges (YQ) NOT charged on these airlines:
Aegean Airlines (A3)
Air China (CA)
Air India (AI)
Air New Zealand (NZ)
Avianca/TACA (AV)
Brussels (SN)
Copa (CM)
Croatia (OU)
EgyptAir (MS)
Ethiopian (ET)
Eva Air (BR)
SAS (SK)
Shenzhen (ZH)
Singapore (SQ)
South African Airways (SA)
Swiss (LX)
Turkish (TK)
United (UA)
*Keep in mind AC charges YQ for the entire trip sometimes, so if you do YYZ-PVG-MEL on AC/CA or YYZ-NRT-AKL on AC/NZ, even though the last two segments are not supposed to be charged YQ - AC will charge YQ based on distance of YYZ-MEL/AKL.
Aeroplan's last official statement on fuel surcharges including an important statement that all fuel surcharges are requested by AC, and not by AE or the operating carriers: All fuel surcharge amounts are applied by Aeroplan on behalf of the ticketing carrier and are passed through directly to the ticketing carrier.
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Air Canada (AC)
Lufthansa (LH)
All Nippon Airways (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Thai (TG)
Austrian Airlines (OS)
LOT Polish Airlines (LO)
TAP Portugal (TP)
Adria Airways (JP)
Aeroplan fuel surcharges (YQ) NOT charged on these airlines:
Aegean Airlines (A3)
Air China (CA)
Air India (AI)
Air New Zealand (NZ)
Avianca/TACA (AV)
Brussels (SN)
Copa (CM)
Croatia (OU)
EgyptAir (MS)
Ethiopian (ET)
Eva Air (BR)
SAS (SK)
Shenzhen (ZH)
Singapore (SQ)
South African Airways (SA)
Swiss (LX)
Turkish (TK)
United (UA)
*Keep in mind AC charges YQ for the entire trip sometimes, so if you do YYZ-PVG-MEL on AC/CA or YYZ-NRT-AKL on AC/NZ, even though the last two segments are not supposed to be charged YQ - AC will charge YQ based on distance of YYZ-MEL/AKL.
Aeroplan's last official statement on fuel surcharges including an important statement that all fuel surcharges are requested by AC, and not by AE or the operating carriers: All fuel surcharge amounts are applied by Aeroplan on behalf of the ticketing carrier and are passed through directly to the ticketing carrier.
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carriers with little or no fuel surcharges for award travel
Dec 8, 2013, 10:01 am
#63
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum
Posts: 9,580
I wonder if you can copy the actual tabulated list of surcharges, for this ticket - we can not do so, from your post. However, at least with Aeroplan, the usual fuel surcharge for a trip across the Atlantic is at least $100 in each direction, so I can deduce that you were not charged the fuel surcharge.
I wonder if one can have fuel surcharges with one of an Aeroplan ticket and a paid ticket (for nonAC flights), but not both.
I believe you ticket was a classic award, not a classic plus award.
I state that, because there have been indications on this forum that the fuel surcharge is not charged for a classic plus award, but it is charged for a classic award.
Dec 8, 2013, 10:22 am
#64
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
I wonder if you can copy the actual tabulated list of surcharges, for this ticket - we can not do so, from your post. However, at least with Aeroplan, the usual fuel surcharge for a trip across the Atlantic is at least $100 in each direction, so I can deduce that you were not charged the fuel surcharge.
I wonder if one can have fuel surcharges with one of an Aeroplan ticket and a paid ticket (for nonAC flights), but not both.
I believe you ticket was a classic award, not a classic plus award.
I state that, because there have been indications on this forum that the fuel surcharge is not charged for a classic plus award, but it is charged for a classic award.
I wonder if one can have fuel surcharges with one of an Aeroplan ticket and a paid ticket (for nonAC flights), but not both.
I believe you ticket was a classic award, not a classic plus award.
I state that, because there have been indications on this forum that the fuel surcharge is not charged for a classic plus award, but it is charged for a classic award.
For the one-way:
For a round-trip (IAD-BRU return)
Dec 8, 2013, 12:17 pm
#65
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum
Posts: 9,580
yes, classic and classic plus awards signify awards with at least some flights with AC.
SN does not fly to/from Canada. I wonder if Aeroplan was implying (when it stated that there is a surcharge with awards with SN flights) that there is a fuel surcharge, if the flights to/from ultimate destination include Canada, and/or AC is part of the itinerary.
SN does not fly to/from Canada. I wonder if Aeroplan was implying (when it stated that there is a surcharge with awards with SN flights) that there is a fuel surcharge, if the flights to/from ultimate destination include Canada, and/or AC is part of the itinerary.
Dec 8, 2013, 12:31 pm
#66
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 174
yes, classic and classic plus awards signify awards with at least some flights with AC.
SN does not fly to/from Canada. I wonder if Aeroplan was implying (when it stated that there is a surcharge with awards with SN flights) that there is a fuel surcharge, if the flights to/from ultimate destination include Canada, and/or AC is part of the itinerary.
SN does not fly to/from Canada. I wonder if Aeroplan was implying (when it stated that there is a surcharge with awards with SN flights) that there is a fuel surcharge, if the flights to/from ultimate destination include Canada, and/or AC is part of the itinerary.
Dec 13, 2013, 2:36 pm
#68
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: YWG
Programs: Aeroplan, MileagePlus, Marriott Rewards
Posts: 2,159
Did UA itineraries get a bit of a YQ bump?
I was planning to reschedule a AE redemption for YWG-CHS from February to the fall (all UA metal), and even though I paid $128 on 2 pax when I booked a few months ago, I can't seem to find an itinerary for under $217 now. Quite a sharp jump over just a few months. So much for UA...
I was planning to reschedule a AE redemption for YWG-CHS from February to the fall (all UA metal), and even though I paid $128 on 2 pax when I booked a few months ago, I can't seem to find an itinerary for under $217 now. Quite a sharp jump over just a few months. So much for UA...
Dec 13, 2013, 2:53 pm
#69
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,309
Did UA itineraries get a bit of a YQ bump?
I was planning to reschedule a AE redemption for YWG-CHS from February to the fall (all UA metal), and even though I paid $128 on 2 pax when I booked a few months ago, I can't seem to find an itinerary for under $217 now. Quite a sharp jump over just a few months. So much for UA...
I was planning to reschedule a AE redemption for YWG-CHS from February to the fall (all UA metal), and even though I paid $128 on 2 pax when I booked a few months ago, I can't seem to find an itinerary for under $217 now. Quite a sharp jump over just a few months. So much for UA...
Dec 13, 2013, 3:43 pm
#71
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: YWG
Programs: Aeroplan, MileagePlus, Marriott Rewards
Posts: 2,159
The fee isn't what I was quoted by an operator, it's the standard surcharges I see when I look up availability on aeroplan.com. The kicker is that the $128 fee for the original flight actually involved a leg on AC (YYZ-YWG), this one is strictly UA!
YWG-CHS, Nov. 4-8, all UA metal:
Canada Domestic/International Air Travel Security Charge $12.10
Canada Goods And Service Tax $1.86
U.S. International Transportation Tax $37.60
Canada Domestic/International Airport Improvement Fee $25.00 U.S.
Customs User Fee $6.00
U.S.A Immigration User Fee $7.70
U.S Agriculture Fee $5.50
U.S. Passenger Safety Fee $8.10
U.S Passenger Facility Charge $4.90
Total per passenger $108.76
Total passengers 2 $217.52
Total airport taxes, fees and surcharges (CAD)$217.5
That's well above what I've paid for UA itineraries to the US before. At this rate UA will be no better than AC by next year
YWG-CHS, Nov. 4-8, all UA metal:
Canada Domestic/International Air Travel Security Charge $12.10
Canada Goods And Service Tax $1.86
U.S. International Transportation Tax $37.60
Canada Domestic/International Airport Improvement Fee $25.00 U.S.
Customs User Fee $6.00
U.S.A Immigration User Fee $7.70
U.S Agriculture Fee $5.50
U.S. Passenger Safety Fee $8.10
U.S Passenger Facility Charge $4.90
Total per passenger $108.76
Total passengers 2 $217.52
Total airport taxes, fees and surcharges (CAD)$217.5
That's well above what I've paid for UA itineraries to the US before. At this rate UA will be no better than AC by next year
Dec 13, 2013, 9:58 pm
#72
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,309
The fee isn't what I was quoted by an operator, it's the standard surcharges I see when I look up availability on aeroplan.com. The kicker is that the $128 fee for the original flight actually involved a leg on AC (YYZ-YWG), this one is strictly UA!
YWG-CHS, Nov. 4-8, all UA metal:
Canada Domestic/International Air Travel Security Charge $12.10
Canada Goods And Service Tax $1.86
U.S. International Transportation Tax $37.60
Canada Domestic/International Airport Improvement Fee $25.00 U.S.
Customs User Fee $6.00
U.S.A Immigration User Fee $7.70
U.S Agriculture Fee $5.50
U.S. Passenger Safety Fee $8.10
U.S Passenger Facility Charge $4.90
Total per passenger $108.76
Total passengers 2 $217.52
Total airport taxes, fees and surcharges (CAD)$217.5
That's well above what I've paid for UA itineraries to the US before. At this rate UA will be no better than AC by next year
YWG-CHS, Nov. 4-8, all UA metal:
Canada Domestic/International Air Travel Security Charge $12.10
Canada Goods And Service Tax $1.86
U.S. International Transportation Tax $37.60
Canada Domestic/International Airport Improvement Fee $25.00 U.S.
Customs User Fee $6.00
U.S.A Immigration User Fee $7.70
U.S Agriculture Fee $5.50
U.S. Passenger Safety Fee $8.10
U.S Passenger Facility Charge $4.90
Total per passenger $108.76
Total passengers 2 $217.52
Total airport taxes, fees and surcharges (CAD)$217.5
That's well above what I've paid for UA itineraries to the US before. At this rate UA will be no better than AC by next year
You are paying actual taxes. There is no scamcharges, or YQ, or fuel surcharge or whatever here.
The only thing that should not be charged is the $37.60 US transport tax. I have no idea where AC is sending that money - but it sure isnt to the US government, as its not required on award (zero price) tickets.
This has been an ongoing scam by AC, regardless of the transborder carrier.
You are also paying a 10% increase due to the US dollar exchange rate vs a few months ago.
Dec 13, 2013, 11:04 pm
#73
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: YWG
Programs: Aeroplan, MileagePlus, Marriott Rewards
Posts: 2,159
ok, you are not getting it - this has nothing to do with UA.
You are paying actual taxes. There is no scamcharges, or YQ, or fuel surcharge or whatever here.
The only thing that should not be charged is the $37.60 US transport tax. I have no idea where AC is sending that money - but it sure isnt to the US government, as its not required on award (zero price) tickets.
This has been an ongoing scam by AC, regardless of the transborder carrier.
You are also paying a 10% increase due to the US dollar exchange rate vs a few months ago.
You are paying actual taxes. There is no scamcharges, or YQ, or fuel surcharge or whatever here.
The only thing that should not be charged is the $37.60 US transport tax. I have no idea where AC is sending that money - but it sure isnt to the US government, as its not required on award (zero price) tickets.
This has been an ongoing scam by AC, regardless of the transborder carrier.
You are also paying a 10% increase due to the US dollar exchange rate vs a few months ago.
Dec 14, 2013, 7:54 am
#74
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
There's no winning when it comes to AC charging us fees @@
Dec 14, 2013, 8:36 am
#75
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: YYZ (YUL/LHR)
Programs: AC - E50, CX - G, Accor Plat, SPG Gold
Posts: 903
Maybe an agent mis-priced your original itinerary as $100-120 is standard going rate on UA/US transborder, AC usually come out close to $200 with the YQ add on. I have an itinerary booked which was manually ticketed and the agent forgot a bunch of charges.
I understand that as AP is a spun off company, unrelated to AC, the US government does not deem it to be a frequent flyer programme and hence the tax add on, we will check that out if/when M&M is spun off.
The ff tax exemption is rather specious to be honest, I mean US Air sells miles like hotcakes which then purchase tickets via this mileage currency, unsure why this should create a tax exemption, how many miles are actually still earned from flying system-wide, 20?!?!?!
I understand that as AP is a spun off company, unrelated to AC, the US government does not deem it to be a frequent flyer programme and hence the tax add on, we will check that out if/when M&M is spun off.
The ff tax exemption is rather specious to be honest, I mean US Air sells miles like hotcakes which then purchase tickets via this mileage currency, unsure why this should create a tax exemption, how many miles are actually still earned from flying system-wide, 20?!?!?!