WestJet to purchase Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners
May 3, 2017, 9:32 pm
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May 4, 2017, 6:18 am
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If you are all one fleet type then absolutely yes, but I can't think of any off hand when gonig from narrow to wide body.
Plenty of airlines have narrowbody with one and widebody with the other.
- No parts commonality
- Different cockpits, so different pilot training
Plenty of airlines have narrowbody with one and widebody with the other.
May 4, 2017, 7:19 am
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Some of the advantages from a WestJet perspective besides cost, aircraft characteristics and availability:
- GE engine availability (avoids adding another engine manufacturer)
- Common Boeing IT systems for maintenance and in-flight operations for all jets
- Existing relationship with Boeing well established
- Legal teams have worked well with each other from a contracting perspective over the years
- Vendor contacts known and well established
Overall due to the above facts, Airbus had a higher hill to climb vs Boeing in the aircraft selection.
- GE engine availability (avoids adding another engine manufacturer)
- Common Boeing IT systems for maintenance and in-flight operations for all jets
- Existing relationship with Boeing well established
- Legal teams have worked well with each other from a contracting perspective over the years
- Vendor contacts known and well established
Overall due to the above facts, Airbus had a higher hill to climb vs Boeing in the aircraft selection.
May 4, 2017, 8:37 am
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May 4, 2017, 9:20 am
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They probably bought them because the A350-900 is both a significantly larger and more capable plane than they require.
May 4, 2017, 10:36 am
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Very unlikely WS got any insane deal on a small order of just 10 787s, in fact they would have paid far more than AC. There was an article weeks back suggesting Boeing needs $35M profit per aircraft to meet targets on all future 787s sold as the program is $27B in the hole (or some massive number). Meanwhile AC got theirs at a loss.
They probably bought them because the A350-900 is both a significantly larger and more capable plane than they require.
They probably bought them because the A350-900 is both a significantly larger and more capable plane than they require.
This from Cage on another forum (he is a member here too) :
- Effectively 15 737max aircraft have left the fleet plan (it is common practice to never take up options that are converted from firm orders. In this case, the transfer to options allows the manufacturer to save face by not advertising the fact the order has been permanently cut).
- The 2019 max reduction is 3 max8 and 3 max9. The 2020 reduction is 3 max7, the 2021 reduction is 2 max7 and 4 max 8.
- There appears to be no increase in capital requirements for purchasing 10 789s vs 15 737max. At list prices, the 789 is worth 2.2-2.5 737max aircraft. If the first statement is true, then WS got one helluva deal on the dreamliners. Also if true, the net purchase price WS got would be equivalent to the AC purchase price for 789s after all the delay and performance rebates were factored into the AC purchase price.
- The 2019 max reduction is 3 max8 and 3 max9. The 2020 reduction is 3 max7, the 2021 reduction is 2 max7 and 4 max 8.
- There appears to be no increase in capital requirements for purchasing 10 789s vs 15 737max. At list prices, the 789 is worth 2.2-2.5 737max aircraft. If the first statement is true, then WS got one helluva deal on the dreamliners. Also if true, the net purchase price WS got would be equivalent to the AC purchase price for 789s after all the delay and performance rebates were factored into the AC purchase price.
May 4, 2017, 10:37 am
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The competitive aircraft with the right mission profile for WestJet are the A330-800neo, A330-900neo, 787-8, 787-9. Both the A350 and B777 are too large for many markets that WestJet would serve. The 787-8 is effectively out of production and A330-800neos may never be built with only 6 orders at the moment.
Really all all came down to the A330-900 vs 787-9, with the 787-9 having the edge in range, the A330-900neo a slight (perhaps debatable) edge in CASM.
Really all all came down to the A330-900 vs 787-9, with the 787-9 having the edge in range, the A330-900neo a slight (perhaps debatable) edge in CASM.
May 4, 2017, 10:44 am
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If you want to look at the fleet plan to understand the changes, page 21 of the Q1 2017 report has all the details: https://www.westjet.com/assets/wj-we...7Q1-Report.pdf
May 4, 2017, 9:38 pm
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