WS announces Canada to London-Gatwick
Jul 4, 2015, 6:13 pm
#46
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,830
Here's my guess for four 767s:
Should be enough wiggle room in the schedule to loop aircraft back through YYC for maintenance with a daily YYC-YYZ on the widebody.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see one aircraft operating winter flights (3x YYC with connections on to ski areas in YLW/YKA/etc)
- YYZ-LGW (daily)
- YYC-LGW (daily)
- YEG/YWG-LGW (4x/3x)
- YOW/YUL-LGW (3x/4x)
Should be enough wiggle room in the schedule to loop aircraft back through YYC for maintenance with a daily YYC-YYZ on the widebody.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see one aircraft operating winter flights (3x YYC with connections on to ski areas in YLW/YKA/etc)
Jul 9, 2015, 8:12 pm
#47
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Jul 10, 2015, 5:28 pm
#48
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Here's my guess for four 767s:
Should be enough wiggle room in the schedule to loop aircraft back through YYC for maintenance with a daily YYC-YYZ on the widebody.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see one aircraft operating winter flights (3x YYC with connections on to ski areas in YLW/YKA/etc)
- YYZ-LGW (daily)
- YYC-LGW (daily)
- YEG/YWG-LGW (4x/3x)
- YOW/YUL-LGW (3x/4x)
Should be enough wiggle room in the schedule to loop aircraft back through YYC for maintenance with a daily YYC-YYZ on the widebody.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see one aircraft operating winter flights (3x YYC with connections on to ski areas in YLW/YKA/etc)
My guess is that WS longhaul will have the following schedule. Note I calculate that WS 763 will have approximately 24-28 round trip frequencies. (Route ~ Frequency/week)
- YEG-LGW 3x
- YYC-GLA/EDI 2x
- YYC-DUB 2x
- YYC-YYZ 7x
- YYC-TXL/SXF 2x
- YYZ-GLA/EDI 2x
- YYZ-DUB 2x
- YYZ-TXL/SXF 2x
- YYZ-LGW 2x
- YHZ-LGW 2x
Above analysis assumes that WS does NOT join an alliance.
Jul 13, 2015, 6:54 am
#50
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 797
That may not be the case next summer.....
Jul 14, 2015, 3:21 pm
#53
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 627
Just give all those domestic connections to Air Canada?
Jul 14, 2015, 6:43 pm
#54
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 98
I presume this recent discussion concerns the Icelandair service from Edmonton, which seems to have been assumed by some to an alternative Edmonton-London service to the existing Air Canada service. It is true that if Westjet starts Edmonton-London service there might be some competition with Icelandair (as well as with Air Canada!). However, the numbers cannot support much of a scrap in my opinion.
For example, today I see only three Icelandair flights to London (two Heathrow and one Gatwick) from Keflavik. These receive traffic from at least sixteen flights from North America as well as a significant local Iceland-London load. The normal share of the Edmonton flight would be about twenty passengers to London. In my opinion there will be very little competition between Icelandair and a possible Westjet service. Besides, as I understand it, on interline connections of this sort the local end (Westjet) gets the more profitable piece of the pie. I don't see Westjet changing anything.
For example, today I see only three Icelandair flights to London (two Heathrow and one Gatwick) from Keflavik. These receive traffic from at least sixteen flights from North America as well as a significant local Iceland-London load. The normal share of the Edmonton flight would be about twenty passengers to London. In my opinion there will be very little competition between Icelandair and a possible Westjet service. Besides, as I understand it, on interline connections of this sort the local end (Westjet) gets the more profitable piece of the pie. I don't see Westjet changing anything.
Jul 17, 2015, 1:03 am
#55
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Location: Canada
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I wonder what the result of YEG-LGW would be? We all know AC hasn't been happy with YEG-LHR in the past and is down to a seasonal service. I don't know how Icelandair is doing out of YEG, but add in KLM too, and its suddenly a packed YEG-Europe market, considering where YEG was just a couple years ago.
My prediction- a summer seasonal, 3xweekly YEG-LGW flight on Westjet. AC will pull out of YEG-LHR completely and feed pax through YYC, which will get 2 daily flights in the high season (A333 and 763). AC seems like the weakest player in YEG- as others expand flights, AC seems to cut. I'd also guess that Westjet would have flights nearly daily on YYC-LHR. Yes YYC has a lot to Europe already, but Westjet out of YYC can feed off pax from BC, all over AB (ie. YEG), SK, MB, and parts of the US. Look at places like YLW, YYJ, YQR or YXE- Westjet is probably just as big, or bigger than, AC at these stations, so the potential feed is there!
I don't have any formal stats, but I have heard that Westjet is the market leader in YEG. AC bashing seems to be a local past time, so I can see Westjet doing well here. YEG certainly isn't a premium market, so a Y+ product would likely do well.
Just my thoughts. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens!
My prediction- a summer seasonal, 3xweekly YEG-LGW flight on Westjet. AC will pull out of YEG-LHR completely and feed pax through YYC, which will get 2 daily flights in the high season (A333 and 763). AC seems like the weakest player in YEG- as others expand flights, AC seems to cut. I'd also guess that Westjet would have flights nearly daily on YYC-LHR. Yes YYC has a lot to Europe already, but Westjet out of YYC can feed off pax from BC, all over AB (ie. YEG), SK, MB, and parts of the US. Look at places like YLW, YYJ, YQR or YXE- Westjet is probably just as big, or bigger than, AC at these stations, so the potential feed is there!
I don't have any formal stats, but I have heard that Westjet is the market leader in YEG. AC bashing seems to be a local past time, so I can see Westjet doing well here. YEG certainly isn't a premium market, so a Y+ product would likely do well.
Just my thoughts. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens!
Jul 23, 2015, 5:12 pm
#56
Join Date: Jul 2015
Programs: Winnipeg Transit:-)
Posts: 7
I wonder what the result of YEG-LGW would be? We all know AC hasn't been happy with YEG-LHR in the past and is down to a seasonal service. I don't know how Icelandair is doing out of YEG, but add in KLM too, and its suddenly a packed YEG-Europe market, considering where YEG was just a couple years ago.
My prediction- a summer seasonal, 3xweekly YEG-LGW flight on Westjet. AC will pull out of YEG-LHR completely and feed pax through YYC, which will get 2 daily flights in the high season (A333 and 763). AC seems like the weakest player in YEG- as others expand flights, AC seems to cut. I'd also guess that Westjet would have flights nearly daily on YYC-LHR. Yes YYC has a lot to Europe already, but Westjet out of YYC can feed off pax from BC, all over AB (ie. YEG), SK, MB, and parts of the US. Look at places like YLW, YYJ, YQR or YXE- Westjet is probably just as big, or bigger than, AC at these stations, so the potential feed is there!
I don't have any formal stats, but I have heard that Westjet is the market leader in YEG. AC bashing seems to be a local past time, so I can see Westjet doing well here. YEG certainly isn't a premium market, so a Y+ product would likely do well.
Just my thoughts. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens!
My prediction- a summer seasonal, 3xweekly YEG-LGW flight on Westjet. AC will pull out of YEG-LHR completely and feed pax through YYC, which will get 2 daily flights in the high season (A333 and 763). AC seems like the weakest player in YEG- as others expand flights, AC seems to cut. I'd also guess that Westjet would have flights nearly daily on YYC-LHR. Yes YYC has a lot to Europe already, but Westjet out of YYC can feed off pax from BC, all over AB (ie. YEG), SK, MB, and parts of the US. Look at places like YLW, YYJ, YQR or YXE- Westjet is probably just as big, or bigger than, AC at these stations, so the potential feed is there!
I don't have any formal stats, but I have heard that Westjet is the market leader in YEG. AC bashing seems to be a local past time, so I can see Westjet doing well here. YEG certainly isn't a premium market, so a Y+ product would likely do well.
Just my thoughts. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens!
Jul 23, 2015, 10:12 pm
#57
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Edmonton could work but possibly not daily. I would rule out Winnipeg except for maybe a once weekly service. Really if their risk tolerance is low they will look at Vancouver first, then Toronto. Yes, Virgin couldn't make it work from Vancouver but they were too focused on upper cabin customers that didn't materialize. YVR LGW could work very well.
Jul 24, 2015, 8:31 am
#58
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Location: Edmonton
Posts: 207
and they have not stopped the agreement.
Jul 24, 2015, 9:01 am
#59
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Is Westjet planning to fly their 767 trans Con, YYC/YVR to YYZ so they can increase the aircraft flying hours(not have them sitting large parts of the day waiting for their London flight).
Jul 24, 2015, 1:30 pm
#60
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