US Tipping Etiquette
#17
Join Date: Apr 2012
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You miss the point.Tips are a gratuity not a right.The level at what you tip should be commensurate with the standard of service you receive not your attempt to remedy the social injustices of this world.
A server who is rude or unhelpful to me ? They get zilch.
But someone who is good at their job and makes for a pleasurable dining experience ? Top dollar.
Why Americans allow themselves to be treated like crap by ignorant wait staff and then meekly pay them for the privilege is beyond me.
A server who is rude or unhelpful to me ? They get zilch.
But someone who is good at their job and makes for a pleasurable dining experience ? Top dollar.
Why Americans allow themselves to be treated like crap by ignorant wait staff and then meekly pay them for the privilege is beyond me.
And as mentioned, customers very often take out their frustrations and penalize the server for restaurant conditions beyond that server's. control. When was the last time you talked to someone who actually does this job about this reality of it?
#18
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No, you miss the point. First, that people (in a country such as the US) should earn a living wage for their work.
And as mentioned, customers very often take out their frustrations and penalize the server for restaurant conditions beyond that server's. control. When was the last time you talked to someone who actually does this job about this reality of it?
And as mentioned, customers very often take out their frustrations and penalize the server for restaurant conditions beyond that server's. control. When was the last time you talked to someone who actually does this job about this reality of it?
Generally I find US wait staff pretty efficient and will tip accordingly but if I get someone with a bad attitude I let them and their manager know why they're getting nothing from me except what's on the check.
#19
Moderator: Manufactured Spending
Join Date: Jul 2011
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Disclaimer: I'm European so some of you might roll their eyes when reading this.
I'm currently at a five star resort in Orange County and I'd like to find out more about when/how much to tip in specific situations.
For example, the Valet is 40$ per day, which I find really steep compared to some similar hotels in the US I've been to. I would usually give the valet five bucks but in this case I just can't justify the additional expense. Am I correct here?
I'm currently at a five star resort in Orange County and I'd like to find out more about when/how much to tip in specific situations.
For example, the Valet is 40$ per day, which I find really steep compared to some similar hotels in the US I've been to. I would usually give the valet five bucks but in this case I just can't justify the additional expense. Am I correct here?
My (Virtuoso) package includes Full American Breakfast and there is no buffet, which means that everything is la carte. For two people that amounts to $150, with 11$ tax. When applying the classic double tax rule, I would have to tip 22 bucks. Would you do that? I mean in Europe or anywhere else in the world for that matter, if breakfast is included I rarely get presented with a check, which means no tip. What is the rule here?
Thanks for your advice.
Thanks for your advice.
I have a feeling that, like many Europeans, you are overthinking this. Tip what you feel appropriate, and move on. No one is going to chase you with a sledgehammer if you break some social norm.
One thing to remember is that California requires all staff to be paid the same minimum wage, without deductions for tips. Therefore, tipped employees in California make much more than their counterparts in other states. It's still expected to tip, but it's not as essential as in other states where tips literally make up the worker's livelihood.
#20
Join Date: Jun 2006
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OP, keep in mind that this can be something everyone claims to be generous with, but server mysteriously gets less. There're also the outliers who love to go on any tipping thread and assert their viewpoint.
Like the above, don't be afraid to go under if the service received isn't up to par. Example: If the guy makes no effort, was rude, and you had to wait a half hour for your car, no tip would be very justified.
I've had the front desk ask if I was sure I wanted to tip what I did. It wasn't that generous by some standards here, but the question itself is revealing.
One could also write on the check the reasons for not leaving any/little tip. Bad service, rude, offensive, being ignored - these all could do it.
The rule for meals with table service is 15-18% of the bill, and a bit less for buffets. Again, it's up to you.
I have a feeling that, like many Europeans, you are overthinking this. Tip what you feel appropriate, and move on. No one is going to chase you with a sledgehammer if you break some social norm.
One thing to remember is that California requires all staff to be paid the same minimum wage, without deductions for tips. Therefore, tipped employees in California make much more than their counterparts in other states. It's still expected to tip, but it's not as essential as in other states where tips literally make up the worker's livelihood.
I have a feeling that, like many Europeans, you are overthinking this. Tip what you feel appropriate, and move on. No one is going to chase you with a sledgehammer if you break some social norm.
One thing to remember is that California requires all staff to be paid the same minimum wage, without deductions for tips. Therefore, tipped employees in California make much more than their counterparts in other states. It's still expected to tip, but it's not as essential as in other states where tips literally make up the worker's livelihood.
One could also write on the check the reasons for not leaving any/little tip. Bad service, rude, offensive, being ignored - these all could do it.
#21
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SEA
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One thing to remember is that California requires all staff to be paid the same minimum wage, without deductions for tips. Therefore, tipped employees in California make much more than their counterparts in other states. It's still expected to tip, but it's not as essential as in other states where tips literally make up the worker's livelihood.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
It's $11 in Seattle (and will be $15 in a few years).
It's $15 in SeaTac (a town located south of Seattle).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...-minimum-wage/
#22
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I find the suggestion by several people on here that servers should be rewarded not matter how poor their service is simply bizarre.
#23
Join Date: Apr 2012
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I find the encouragement here for people to work themselves up to becoming disgruntled, to look for faults in a meal and its presentation in order to justify not tipping a server, to focus on the punitive, is simply bizarre.
And rather a sad commentary on character.
And rather a sad commentary on character.
Last edited by VidaNaPraia; Aug 5, 2015 at 8:38 pm
#24
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Join Date: Jul 2011
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The minimum is $9.00 in California, and $9.47 in Washington state.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
It's $11 in Seattle (and will be $15 in a few years).
It's $15 in SeaTac (a town located south of Seattle).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...-minimum-wage/
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
It's $11 in Seattle (and will be $15 in a few years).
It's $15 in SeaTac (a town located south of Seattle).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...-minimum-wage/
Here is the minimum wage for tipped and untipped employees in each state. http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
I would hope that no one is encouraging people to look for faults in a meal. I personally tip 15% by default, and only reduce it if service was significantly subpar, which happens perhaps 10% of the time.
#25
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Yup, Washington is one of the few states with a minimum wage even higher than California. Most of the states that do not allow tip credits are on the west coast.
Here is the minimum wage for tipped and untipped employees in each state. http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
I would hope that no one is encouraging people to look for faults in a meal. I personally tip 15% by default, and only reduce it if service was significantly subpar, which happens perhaps 10% of the time.
Here is the minimum wage for tipped and untipped employees in each state. http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
I would hope that no one is encouraging people to look for faults in a meal. I personally tip 15% by default, and only reduce it if service was significantly subpar, which happens perhaps 10% of the time.
I dropped a 25% tip on a meal last week because it was so good, the waiter performed superbly despite the restaurant being understaffed and I had most of the second bottle of red.😁
But I see no point in,lemming-like,handing my hard-earned moolah over to someone who patently isn't working hard enough.
Maybe some people have lower expectations or are simply too timid to speak their mind when confronted with crap service.
#27
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Btw, just saw an article saying most workers in regular 8 hour/day jobs get about 3 hours of work done/day. But servers are expected to perform at 110% for their whole work period.
Last edited by VidaNaPraia; Aug 6, 2015 at 7:14 am
#28
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A restaurant " experience " consists of three things - a server taking your order, a cook cooking it and the server bringing it to your table.
It ain't rocket science and if a person can't recognise when a server is bad and not the cook then they must have the brains of a rocking horse.
Bad server = bad tip.
#29
Join Date: Sep 2010
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While I too wish tipping would just go away here in the US but since it's not I basically break tips into three ranges for servers.
15% - the server does what you'd expect.
20+% - The server goes above what I'd consider average service namely when it comes to clearing empty dishes and refilling drinks without having to flag them down. The better the service the better the tip.
If the service is sub-par I'll usually tip a flat 10%. If it's really, really bad they get nothing and I speak with the manager on duty before leaving. Thankfully I've only ever had to do this twice that I can remember.
I always tip based off the pre-tax subtotal.
15% - the server does what you'd expect.
20+% - The server goes above what I'd consider average service namely when it comes to clearing empty dishes and refilling drinks without having to flag them down. The better the service the better the tip.
If the service is sub-par I'll usually tip a flat 10%. If it's really, really bad they get nothing and I speak with the manager on duty before leaving. Thankfully I've only ever had to do this twice that I can remember.
I always tip based off the pre-tax subtotal.
#30
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 184
Which still doesn't change the facts. It is what it is; the USA, not Europe. A tip is a large part of how the valet gets paid. (While you're at it about "policy", good or bad, can you lobby for 6 weeks paid vacation for all workers in the US, just like the Germans get?)