View Poll Results: Is an American Airlines/US Airways merger good for the traveling public?
Yes
84
28.19%
No
214
71.81%
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Last edit by: aztimm
Note:
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
US/AA merger- MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD/incl 'when will US leave STAR'
#601
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#602
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#603
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I think as long as you book before the switch over you'll be okay, even if your travel dates are after the switch.
#604
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When US and AA announce such vital news, there will be numerous threads and sticky threads, probably with some bold print.
#605
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In recent days, execs have tentatively stated that they hope to announce that timeframe at the time the merger closes, which is currently expected in late August or early September:
(From http://www.businesstravelnews.com/Mo...irlines&a=proc which is one of the most substantive merger articles I've seen recently.)
In other words: nothing is likely to happen fast enough to help the OP.
"The game plan would be that soon upon legal close we would be able tell customers about when US Airways will be a full member of Oneworld and when the Star relationship will end," [US COO Robert Isom] said, declining to offer a more specific timeframe. "It will not be, I know right now, simultaneous with legal close."
In other words: nothing is likely to happen fast enough to help the OP.
#606
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In recent days, execs have tentatively stated that they hope to announce that timeframe at the time the merger closes, which is currently expected in late August or early September:
(From http://www.businesstravelnews.com/Mo...irlines&a=proc which is one of the most substantive merger articles I've seen recently.)
In other words: nothing is likely to happen fast enough to help the OP.
(From http://www.businesstravelnews.com/Mo...irlines&a=proc which is one of the most substantive merger articles I've seen recently.)
In other words: nothing is likely to happen fast enough to help the OP.
#607
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Location: BOS-DCA
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(From http://www.businesstravelnews.com/Mo...irlines&a=proc which is one of the most substantive merger articles I've seen recently.)
#608
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,188
That is an informative article. "Isom said he expected US Airways during those first six months to transition to Oneworld from the Star Alliance. " That would not be bad for us, especially if my wife wants to earn TAM miles by flying US, as they'd both likely still be in Star at that point (both will move to Oneworld, US as a result of its merger with AA, and TAM as a result of its merger with LAN, moving to Oneworld sometime earlyin 2014). We could still opt for AA on that trip, but will know our options of miles.
Hope the merger is easier than that of UA and Continental, which led to many problems on computer systems and elsewhere, especially on the actual day of the final merger, and days (weeks?) afterwards. At CLT, we saw UA agents working mightily to deal with angry passengers in the midst of computer system problems.
Hope the merger is easier than that of UA and Continental, which led to many problems on computer systems and elsewhere, especially on the actual day of the final merger, and days (weeks?) afterwards. At CLT, we saw UA agents working mightily to deal with angry passengers in the midst of computer system problems.
Last edited by SoCal; May 8, 2013 at 11:25 am
#609
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#610
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Why on earth would CLT-Brazil survive post merger? The O&D numbers don't support it. And MIA serves plenty of destinations in the SE for whatever connecting traffic there is aside from MCO. Which probably isn't that much. This is a waste of a few 332s. Which could generate more revenue by flying to LHR or TLV. AA already flies to Brazil from MIA, JFK, and DFW, with a pending approval from LAX. What gap in the new network does CLT fill regarding Brazil?
#611
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Even ignoring how the US-Brazil traffic flows, MIA is pretty clearly the best geographic gateway to Brazil from the US mainland except for points well west of the Mississippi that are service by routes like DFW-GRU.
Are the slots that US has recently begun to acquire limited by the USA-Brazil air agreements tied to CLT though? Can they move them to MIA or are they for CLT and no where else? That might be a deciding factor as to whether CLT loses GIG/GRU and that moves to MIA.
Are the slots that US has recently begun to acquire limited by the USA-Brazil air agreements tied to CLT though? Can they move them to MIA or are they for CLT and no where else? That might be a deciding factor as to whether CLT loses GIG/GRU and that moves to MIA.
#612
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I'd like to see a chart similar to the one recently on Cranky Flyer http://crankyflier.com/, but instead of showing the connections east and west, show the two airlines north and south.
While eveyone beats up CLT, frankly from Middle America, connections for South America do not go through Miami. I just don't see the new AA/US making new thin domestic flights to Miami, when there are existing flights that can connect to South America through CLT along with the rest of the south more efficiently.
Miami may be a great hub for South America, but as Wal-Mart originally discovered, there are a lot of money to be made in Middle America. It may not be sexy and have as much prestige as Miami, but it's profitable. Any of us that have flown on US for years know that this managment keeps their eye on the bottom line.
While eveyone beats up CLT, frankly from Middle America, connections for South America do not go through Miami. I just don't see the new AA/US making new thin domestic flights to Miami, when there are existing flights that can connect to South America through CLT along with the rest of the south more efficiently.
Miami may be a great hub for South America, but as Wal-Mart originally discovered, there are a lot of money to be made in Middle America. It may not be sexy and have as much prestige as Miami, but it's profitable. Any of us that have flown on US for years know that this managment keeps their eye on the bottom line.
#613
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Me too. I have a better upgrade percentage on AA than I did as a Plat on UA with UDU.
Not to mention, the new airline would be giving up incremental revenue gained from people buying those e500's. One would think in this economic climate, they wouldn't walk away from that kind of dough.
Not to mention, the new airline would be giving up incremental revenue gained from people buying those e500's. One would think in this economic climate, they wouldn't walk away from that kind of dough.
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Even ignoring how the US-Brazil traffic flows, MIA is pretty clearly the best geographic gateway to Brazil from the US mainland except for points well west of the Mississippi that are service by routes like DFW-GRU.
Are the slots that US has recently begun to acquire limited by the USA-Brazil air agreements tied to CLT though? Can they move them to MIA or are they for CLT and no where else? That might be a deciding factor as to whether CLT loses GIG/GRU and that moves to MIA.
Are the slots that US has recently begun to acquire limited by the USA-Brazil air agreements tied to CLT though? Can they move them to MIA or are they for CLT and no where else? That might be a deciding factor as to whether CLT loses GIG/GRU and that moves to MIA.
#615
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CLT has lower operating costs than MIA and has much more domestic feed, both in terms of number of destinations as well as frequency to major destinations. And I'm not just talking about commuter airline backwaters. Many large cities in the east and midwest -- DTW, CVG, CLE, PIT, PHL, etc. -- only have a couple of AA flights a day to/from MIA but have several US flights to/from CLT, and if you look farther west there are a number of major business cities like SAN, AUS, etc. that have CLT service but no MIA service whatsoever.