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JetAway Nov 18, 2010 7:50 am


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 15186459)
That's the way I read it.

Me too. But others on this board seem to be reading it in the more favorable (to current 1Ks) way. UA could start digging itself out of its self-made hole by "clarifying" this change in the most favorable way. No loss of face; just a misunderstanding.

bmvaughn Nov 18, 2010 7:55 am

Hey UA 1Ks,
Just know that when CO Platinums get their SWU, they are valid longer than for 1Ks:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/15180884-post261.html

These are the SWU earned in 2010... rather than expiring 12 months out like SWU awarded to 1Ks, they don't expire until 2/29/12, a fixed date.

notquiteaff Nov 18, 2010 8:10 am


Originally Posted by bmvaughn (Post 15186636)
Hey UA 1Ks,
Just know that when CO Platinums get their SWU, they are valid longer than for 1Ks:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/15180884-post261.html

These are the SWU earned in 2010... rather than expiring 12 months out like SWU awarded to 1Ks, they don't expire until 2/29/12, a fixed date.

That's not how I read the official CO page announcing the change:

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...OnePassChanges

"System-wide upgrades issued in 2011 will be valid 12 months from the date of issue."

Edit: what you said only applies to 2010-earned CO SWUs, going forward it's the same for both systems.

as219 Nov 18, 2010 8:12 am

No CR-1s in 2011 unless and until you hit 75K EQM/90 EQS
 

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian (Post 15186530)
I'm thinking that I won't get CR-1 next year until I cross 75,000 EQM as well. To that end, I decided to book a MR in a few weeks to ensure I get my 4Q 2010 CR-1s.

After 20 minutes on hold with the M+ elite desk, the word from on high as it were is: No one will earn CR-1s in 2011 unless and until you reach the 75K EQM/90 EQS threshold, at which point you get 2 CR1s. After that, you receive 2 more CR1s at each subsequent 25K EQM/30 EQS threshold.

Lame to say the least. :td::td::td::td::td::td:

reddirt14 Nov 18, 2010 8:50 am

Agreed. If our prior year results counted toward our CR-1 earnings in the next year I would be fine. So a couple examples:

Flew 120 segments, 60,000 miles in 2010: No Cr-1s for 2011 until you hit 75,000.

Flew 75,000 miles in 2010: 2 CR-1's earned in January 2011, and 2 more for each additional 25,000 miles flown.

Flew 100,000 miles in 2010: 4 CR-1's earned in January 2010 and 2 more for each additional 25,000 miles flown.

That's a nice way of handling it. I would accept that explanation. In fact I though one UA exchange of information did present it something like that. But if that's what they meant, they need to start recruiting better MBAs focussed on marketing and communication. Heck, just hire some one from the U.S. based 1K desk to explain it to us. No need for an MBA to screw it up and cost you millions of dollars lost in top flyer loyalty.

EsquireFlyer Nov 18, 2010 9:00 am


Originally Posted by reddirt14 (Post 15187371)
Agreed. If our prior year results counted toward our CR-1 earnings in the next year I would be fine. So a couple examples:

Flew 120 segments, 60,000 miles in 2010: No Cr-1s for 2011 until you hit 75,000.

Flew 75,000 miles in 2010: 2 CR-1's earned in January 2011, and 2 more for each additional 25,000 miles flown.

Flew 100,000 miles in 2010: 4 CR-1's earned in January 2010 and 2 more for each additional 25,000 miles flown.

That's a nice way of handling it. I would accept that explanation. In fact I though one UA exchange of information did present it something like that.

While I would like that, I don't think it makes sense as an explanation of what UA intended. Because for the miles you flew in 2010, you already earned CR-1s in 2010 for it, so why would UA also give you CR-1s in 2011 based on your 2010 flying?

as219 Nov 18, 2010 9:04 am


Originally Posted by CollegeFlyer (Post 15187496)
While I would like that, I don't think it makes sense as an explanation of what UA intended. Because for the miles you flew in 2010, you already earned CR-1s in 2010 for it, so why would UA also give you CR-1s in 2011 based on your 2010 flying?

See my post above. It's clearly not what UA intended.

Bottom line is that what you fly in 2010 has no effect on earning CR1s in 2011.. You want 2 CR1s in 2011? Fly 75K EQM/90 EQS. Want more? Fly another 25K EQM/30 EQS beyond that. Period.

JetAway Nov 18, 2010 9:06 am

The best way is the allow 2011 1Ks to earn their CR-1s at every 25k miles starting at 1 January 2011 and to allow non-1Ks to earn their CR-1s whenever they reach 75k miles in 2011.

EsquireFlyer Nov 18, 2010 9:09 am


Originally Posted by fastair (Post 15182900)
I don't want to dare anyone to do something to hurt our company, but like I said 20 pages ago, I have this link bookmarked and will look back in 6 months time to see where some of these posters that are going to leave are actually at. It is short sided, but realistic to believe that most will not leave, and of those that do, some others will come to replace them . . .

If you "don't want to" dare anyone to do something to hurt your company, then why are you doing exactly that?


Originally Posted by as219 (Post 15187573)
See my post above. It's clearly not what UA intended.

Bottom line is that what you fly in 2010 has no effect on earning CR1s in 2011.. You want 2 CR1s in 2011? Fly 75K EQM/90 EQS. Want more? Fly another 25K EQM/30 EQS beyond that. Period.

Yeah I think the e-mail was pretty clear in stating what the phone people told you. I think the new policy sucks, but has been stated quite explicitly, such that a change requires an actual change and can't be shoehorned into a "clarification." :-/ Not that I think UA would do either, because UA seems clearly intent on "equalizing" MP and NonePass by giving MP members the shaft until MP is no better than NonePass. Unless AA actually started offering EXP matches...then UA would probably respond with some changes.

as219 Nov 18, 2010 9:12 am


Originally Posted by JetAway (Post 15187593)
The best way is the allow 2011 1Ks to earn their CR-1s at every 25k miles starting at 1 January 2011 and to allow non-1Ks to earn their CR-1s whenever they reach 75k miles in 2011.

Right. Except what they clearly want to do is give out fewer CR-1s next year to those who fly less than 150K EQM/180 EQS.

lax2010 Nov 18, 2010 9:22 am


Originally Posted by as219 (Post 15186866)
After 20 minutes on hold with the M+ elite desk, the word from on high as it were is: No one will earn CR-1s in 2011 unless and until you reach the 75K EQM/90 EQS threshold, at which point you get 2 CR1s. After that, you receive 2 more CR1s at each subsequent 25K EQM/30 EQS threshold.

Lame to say the least. :td::td::td::td::td::td:

Thanks for repeating what has been discussed on this thread for the last couple days!


Originally Posted by JetAway (Post 15187593)
The best way is the allow 2011 1Ks to earn their CR-1s at every 25k miles starting at 1 January 2011 and to allow non-1Ks to earn their CR-1s whenever they reach 75k miles in 2011.

I like this better. ^


Originally Posted by as219 (Post 15187573)
See my post above. It's clearly not what UA intended.

Bottom line is that what you fly in 2010 has no effect on earning CR1s in 2011.. You want 2 CR1s in 2011? Fly 75K EQM/90 EQS. Want more? Fly another 25K EQM/30 EQS beyond that. Period.

It has always been the case. If you want CR1 for the current year, fly on the current year. For 2010, it was 2 CR1's per 10k BIS miles per quarter in case you are not aware of it.

ColoBill1 Nov 18, 2010 9:31 am

UNITED PR made the first post to this thread. 760+ posts later, despite the uncertainty and apparent need for clarification found in so many subsequent posts, he/she has not made a single additional post. "Hit and run"....absolutely amazing.

unavaca Nov 18, 2010 9:49 am


Originally Posted by cmculp (Post 15185698)
After 5 years as a 1K, I'll peak at 75-77K this year. That is just 1P, but same miles credited to CO would have been plat. So the guy who flew 90K on UA this uear is at a lower status than the guy who flew 76K on CO.

Yeah, I feel the same way :( I am at 70k and would have fit in another 5k this year if there were a 75k tier.

On the upside, next year's 75k tier should work out great for me.

EsquireFlyer Nov 18, 2010 9:50 am


Originally Posted by lax2010 (Post 15187942)
It has always been the case. If you want CR1 for the current year, fly on the current year. For 2010, it was 2 CR1's per 10k BIS miles per quarter in case you are not aware of it.

I feel like you haven't followed the thread very closely even though you "thanked" as219 for repeating info in it...there was a reason in context for everything he said.

sjlin0121 Nov 18, 2010 9:58 am

Let's compare SWUs and CR1s
SWUs: 6 at 100K/120EQS, 2 more every 50K/60EQS
CR1s: 2 at 75K/90EQS, 2 more every 25K/30EQS

See the comparison, I can say now earning SWUs are much easier than CR1s among most of us. They are even when reach 150K/180EQS.
I am afraid this is just the beginnng. They just use less impact CR1s to test our response, and the next target might be SWUs!!!

Could you imagine that might happen in the future:
SWUs: 2 at 100K/120EQS, 2 more every 50K/60EQS
CR1s: 2 at 75K/90EQS, 2 more every 25K/30EQS

I am glad AA still keep 8 eVIPs so the chance to change from UA would be slim but certainly not impossible.

Just my 2 cents.


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