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Jul 14, 2024, 10:10 am by Infinite1KQuote:Pay-wall bypass: https://archive.ph/fwhsNOriginally Posted by char777SF Business Times has an interview with United's SFO hub president about the Terminal 3 West Modernization project resuming this summer.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc...rnational.html
Article is behind a paywall, but the highlights:- Construction begins July 1 and will last five years
- United will soon operate out of six gates in T2
- Gates F1-F4 will be rebuilt as five narrowbody or three widebody, FIS-capable swing gates that will no longer be exclusively UA gates
- Airside access between T3 and Int'l Terminal G will remain open
- The two security checkpoints in T3 will be consolidated into one (I don't think this was part of the original scope of the project)
- Once Alaska moves to T1 this summer, United "will consider" temporarily taking over the Alaska lounge
- United is looking for a larger club space between T2 and T3 for a permanent club (in addition to the existing one in B/A E)
- No mention of whether the rotunda club will undergo a renovation
- No mention of any renovation of gates F5-F22 (I don't think this is part of the project at all)
Quote:Originally Posted by lolstebboSome files on the projectL
Concept Review from October 2023: https://www.sf.gov/sites/default/fil...C_CD_FINAL.pdf
Concept Review from February 2024: https://www.sf.gov/sites/default/fil...CEPT_PHASE.pdf
Schematic Design from March 2024: https://www.sf.gov/sites/default/fil..._PHASE%201.pdf
Additional document regarding the T3-IT connector from March 2024: https://www.sf.gov/sites/default/fil...C%20update.pdf
Looks like the Rotunda UC will be rebuilt and located on a new mezzanine level.Quote:https://www.flysfo.com/sites/default...Web%5B7%5D.pdfOriginally Posted by jcacciottiThis link, provided by lolstebbo in May, shows a PDF of the latest project concept. Page 43 shows an Airline Lounge on the mezzanine level. https://www.sf.gov/sites/default/fil..._PHASE%201.pdf
Quote:Originally Posted by PDXalwaysMy understanding (and crude illustration) of the phase sequencing:
PHASE 1 (red area closed):
PHASE 2 (red area closed):
Quote:Copied fromOriginally Posted by smxflyerI think the long-term plan is to renovate F5-F22, but I imagine that will happen after this is completed.
https://www.flysfo.com/sites/default...t_Projects.pdf
https://www.flysfo.com/flight-info/a...senger-impacts
Hope that the information is up to date.T
he Terminal 3 West modernization project is underway! Stay tuned to the Terminal 3 Construction page for the latest updates as this project takes flight.
As we transform the west portion of the terminal, please be advised of the following closures and passenger impacts related to ongoing construction.
Dropping off - Doors 6, 7, and 8 are closed at the Terminal 3 Departures curb.- If no bags to check, drop off at Terminal 2 and proceed through the checkpoint.
- Premier customers with bags, drop off at Premier, near doors 2 - 3; check in at Premier lobby
- Economy customers with bags, drop off at Economy, near doors 10 - 13; check in at Economy lobby
- Or, consider dropping off at the Rental Car Center and then taking the AirTrain to avoid congestion.
- No bags to check? Get off at Terminal 2 AirTrain Station, cross bridge, and use the T2 Checkpoint
- Checking bags? Get off at Terminal 3 AirTrain Station; down one level, go into the parking garage, take the elevators to Level 1, and follow walking paths to either the E or F/G walkways for Premier or Economy check-in areas.
- The F walkway from the Domestic Garage is closed - follow signs to the E walkway to navigate to the elevators.
- United Premier guests can use core E at parking garage level 1 for terminal access.
- United Economy guests use core F/G at parking garage level 1 for terminal access.
- Interim post-security walkways are in place allowing passengers to traverse between all the terminals and boarding areas around the Terminal 3 construction site. One walkway is located in Terminal 3 by Gate E2 and ends in the rotunda food court and F Gates area in Terminal 3. The second section runs from the food court and F Gates to an existing post-security walkway to the International Terminal G gates.
- From Canada and Ireland - If you checked bags, they will be checked to their final destination, you do not need to go to baggage claim. All connecting passengers: do not exit the secure area; follow the signs to your connecting gate.
- All other international passengers will need to clear customs and collect all checked bags. Follow the "Connections" sign to exit the Customs Hall and turn left. United customers can re-check their bags in the re-check lobby, then proceed to their gates.
- For E, F or G Gates - Follow the signs to the International Terminal G Security Checkpoint.
- For D Gates Either use the International G Security checkpoint OR Take the AirTrain (Red Line) to Terminal 2 and use the Terminal 2/ D Gates Security checkpoint.
- For A Gates - Follow signs toward International Terminal A Security Checkpoint
- For B&C Gates - follow signs to the Harvey Milk Terminal 1 Security Checkpoint
Use the International Terminal G Security Checkpoint and follow signs to Terminal 3, American Express Lounge.
Temporary Centurion Lounge is located at T2, Concourse D. Located right after the security checkpoint near Compass Books and Napa Farms Market.
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I'd find it difficult to imagine they would cutoff airside connectivity, given the situation landside. I had a flight from the E gates a few weeks ago and chose to walk over landside from the Intl terminal (where I always choose to get dropped off due to traffic in the loop) just to see what it was like, and I won't be doing that again anytime soon if I can avoid it. Originally Posted by emcampbe
I assume airside, theres still the [temporary] F-G walkway, as well as access between D-E-F? Really be a PITA if we couldnt get from MLL- F gates.
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Yes, the whole upstairs beyond the checkpoint is going to be closed, which is why there's going to be check-in at T2.Originally Posted by jcacciotti
Announcement from SFO yesterday says that Terminal 3 AirTrain will be closing on Nov. 4, as will curbside and drop off lanes between doors 6 and 13. Assuming this means they will be starting on the new land-side facade in the west end of the terminal. Curious if they will be closing the economy check-in behind doors 8-13
So if were flying after Nov. 4, and out of F gates with bags to check, better to go to international terminal for checkin, or T2? Or is T3 still an option in another area?
I presume if aiming to use MLL prior to flight, T2 is better (I presume airside path is still open?). What about if going straight to the gate?
I presume if aiming to use MLL prior to flight, T2 is better (I presume airside path is still open?). What about if going straight to the gate?
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The page on SFOs website is actually very detailed as to what will be open, what will close, and what will probably stay open, but suck.Originally Posted by jcacciotti
Announcement from SFO yesterday says that Terminal 3 AirTrain will be closing on Nov. 4, as will curbside and drop off lanes between doors 6 and 13. Assuming this means they will be starting on the new land-side facade in the west end of the terminal. Curious if they will be closing the economy check-in behind doors 8-13
https://www.flysfo.com/flight-info/a...senger-impacts
The check-in on the western end of T3 will close, while the one on the eastern end will remain open. Even with all that said, I dont know why anybody would try to do check-in or clear security through F at this point. Unless if T2 security gets slammed when the UA check-in counters open there on Monday, it seems like F landside is such a mess that Id try to avoid it altogether.
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That's been my advice for months. Even if checking bags at Premier, I've been accessing via T2. Also best not to check bags to SFO if flying UA domestic. Maybe they'll be delivered to D and it will be fine, but if they're delivered to F . . . .Originally Posted by char777
it seems like F landside is such a mess that Id try to avoid it altogether.
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I wish I had that luxury.almost all of our travel is with the two littles, so pretty much impossible for us, given we barely do weekend-only trips anymore. Originally Posted by Kacee
That's been my advice for months. Even if checking bags at Premier, I've been accessing via T2. Also best not to check bags to SFO if flying UA domestic. Maybe they'll be delivered to D and it will be fine, but if they're delivered to F . . . .
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Yeah, it broke the First Rule of the MLL that there is NO MLL!!! Originally Posted by Kacee
That's been there for months.
I think you turned me on to it months back and I never looked back to the UC's so thanks. Sadly as others have noted it is getting more crowded. I went there a couple weeks back on a Saturday AM with my wife and despite her being a heavy global traveler for biz her jaw dropped when I brought her in and we sat outside and had a beautiful breakfast on the deck. That particular day it wasn't too crowded at all. Having said that, months back I could go there and I would literally be the only person in the place.
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Yeah, given an unused AS credit and this F term mess, my next SFO departure is on AS, but returning UA. Generally don't travel in December but need to book January trips soon -- will use AS/AA out of STS for LA but the other is Asian international which will fortunately be out of G.Originally Posted by char777
... it seems like F landside is such a mess that Id try to avoid it altogether.
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Beware that Ive seen some international wide body departures out of non G gates. Hopefully they were one off and wont become routine going forward. Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Yeah, given an unused AS credit and this F term mess, my next SFO departure is on AS, but returning UA. Generally don't travel in December but need to book January trips soon -- will use AS/AA out of STS for LA but the other is Asian international which will fortunately be out of G.
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At this point it's anyones guess. If it's international it'll almost always be departing from G (sometimes F) but if it's domestic it could depart from G, F, D, or one weird time when I left from A. Originally Posted by Infinite1K
Beware that Ive seen some international wide body departures out of non G gates. Hopefully they were one off and wont become routine going forward.
If you're arriving from anywhere you could end up at G, F, D, or A, and if you're arriving at A from a domestic flight, it's going to be a miserable connection to G.
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Depends on how bad security it is. If security is quick, it will be no longer than the walk from D or E. Originally Posted by Lamp1009
If you're arriving from anywhere you could end up at G, F, D, or A, and if you're arriving at A from a domestic flight, it's going to be a miserable connection to G.
I do not get the sense that A departures/arrivals are common. G domestic arrivals are a possibility but also much less common than D/E/F.
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I had a short domestic cxn a few weeks ago arriving G and departing D. Originally Posted by Lamp1009
If you're arriving from anywhere you could end up at G, F, D, or A, and if you're arriving at A from a domestic flight, it's going to be a miserable connection to G.
Of course with a late arrival. When Im early, its always the gate next door
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I do not get the sense that A departures/arrivals are common. G domestic arrivals are a possibility but also much less common than D/E/F.
Originally Posted by Kacee
Depends on how bad security it is. If security is quick, it will be no longer than the walk from D or E.I do not get the sense that A departures/arrivals are common. G domestic arrivals are a possibility but also much less common than D/E/F.
If you want to go down the rabbit hole, SFO publishes all of their gate assignment data publicly, on a monthly basis. The data are up there right now through October 31. Here's what I get if I filter to United departures from gates starting with A:
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Is that for the month of October? For the entire year of 2025 up to Oct 31st? Or since they started flying out of A?Originally Posted by ChrisMD123
If you want to go down the rabbit hole, SFO publishes all of their gate assignment data publicly, on a monthly basis. The data are up there right now through October 31. Here's what I get if I filter to United departures from gates starting with A:
Is there a general consensus on whether T2 security has longer lines since UA check in counter opens? I assume their is a premier check in area there as well?
We have a flight tomorrow scheduled to depart from F, but planning on checking in at T2 since we were planning on going to MLL after clearing, and want to avoid the cluster* of construction in T3 lobby.
We have a flight tomorrow scheduled to depart from F, but planning on checking in at T2 since we were planning on going to MLL after clearing, and want to avoid the cluster* of construction in T3 lobby.