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n8-the-gr8 Apr 19, 2021 10:38 am


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 33187317)
While Golds are eligible for Instant Upgrades at booking, they can not waitlist for them. Only 1Ks/GS,

Do you have to call to be waitlisted if the Instant Upgrade isn't available or are you talking about the "Complimentary Premier Upgrade Requested" status that applies to all CPU-eligible flights? Not sure if a B fare should show "Waitlisted" just like PP waitlisted flights on the actual reservation.

*Update: I just spoke to a GS rep who said the B fare would only give precedence over PP if there's confirm-able space but when it doesn't clear automatically if someone else applies PP on a lower fare they could clear ahead of Y, B, and M fares. She also quoted rules that indicated you have to call to upgrade a B fare if space opens up until 120 hours ahead of the flight at which point standard upgrade rules take over for the flight and didn't think that someone on a Y, B, M fare would be ahead of someone using PP on a W fare for example.

Is this right?

WineCountryUA Apr 19, 2021 11:40 am


Originally Posted by n8-the-gr8 (Post 33188950)
Do you have to call to be waitlisted if the Instant Upgrade isn't available or are you talking about the "Complimentary Premier Upgrade Requested" status that applies to all CPU-eligible flights? Not sure if a B fare should show "Waitlisted" just like PP waitlisted flights on the actual reservation.

"Instant Upgrades" work slightly different. They will not clear automatically and do not show as waitlisted. If they become available you will need to go to the reservation and confirm. Once you get to the Gate Waitlist, Instant Upgrades are higher priority than CPU and will clear at the gate before CPU

FOr more see Y/B/M Premier Instant Upgrade - How does it work? (has a wiki with details)

fumje Apr 19, 2021 11:45 am


Originally Posted by DFWFairy (Post 33186930)
I am looking at these flights using Plus Points with LAX-SFO on waitlist while SFO-FRA is available on PZ. If I decline to be on WL for the first flights during checkout, would that preclude me from being upgraded using my 1K status? Also, I notice that LAX-SFO is on a B fare, would that consider an instant upgrade fare?

Thanks.

Not to dampen spirits too much, but I would not hold hope for LAX-SFO CPU any time in the next few months.

You should be able to apply both ETC at the purchase page, or if you're having an error an agent should be able to take care of it now.

However, I would say the priority is to book while PZ for SFO-FRA is open in whatever configuration you can get your ETC used. LAX-SFO is a short flight anyway, and the chance of clearing is not dramatically changed by the various reservation permutations.

DFWFairy Apr 19, 2021 12:12 pm

Done. Both TATL segments are now confirmed, with the LAX-SFO portion remained for CPU to clear. Thanks for assisting!

fumje Apr 19, 2021 3:05 pm


Originally Posted by DFWFairy (Post 33189233)
Done. Both TATL segments are now confirmed, with the LAX-SFO portion remained for CPU to clear. Thanks for assisting!

:tu:

Were you able to get it on one reservation with the ETCs used?

DFWFairy Apr 19, 2021 6:43 pm

Yes we did! The representative was quite helpful and everything is now under one roof.

Doppy Apr 20, 2021 2:26 pm

I have a p.s. transcon that was booked in economy. I applied PlusPoints to waitlist into first and was number 8 on the list.

A cheap option to buy up to R came up, so I did that and re-applied PP after the ticket was reissued in R. I'm now #5 on the first upgrade list. Only 4 seats have been sold in premium economy including mine (according to flight status), and I am behind someone who is also waitlisted for a premium economy seat. I thought that premium economy fares came ahead of all regular economy fares for upgrades?

The other weird thing is that there are two people on the upgrade list for premium economy, and the person who is #2 on that list is ahead of me on the first upgrade list, but the person who is #1 on the premium economy list is after me on the first list.

fumje Apr 20, 2021 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by Doppy (Post 33192301)
I have a p.s. transcon that was booked in economy. I applied PlusPoints to waitlist into first and was number 8 on the list.

A cheap option to buy up to R came up, so I did that and re-applied PP after the ticket was reissued in R. I'm now #5 on the first upgrade list. Only 4 seats have been sold in premium economy including mine (according to flight status), and I am behind someone who is also waitlisted for a premium economy seat. I thought that premium economy fares came ahead of all regular economy fares for upgrades?

The other weird thing is that there are two people on the upgrade list for premium economy, and the person who is #2 on that list is ahead of me on the first upgrade list, but the person who is #1 on the premium economy list is after me on the first list.

I think the wisdom when PP was announced was that anyone in PP would rank above GS in Y.

I wonder if that is incorrect, though. It seems like it explains your situation.

jsloan Apr 20, 2021 3:58 pm


Originally Posted by fumje (Post 33192386)
I think the wisdom when PP was announced was that anyone in PP would rank above GS in Y.

I wonder if that is incorrect, though. It seems like it explains your situation.

UA wrote that people in PE will clear to J before people in Y, but prior to the gate it could never have been accurate. GS instruments clear into PN space, which opens before PZ, and therefore someone in Y on a GS instrument was always going to be ahead of a non-GS in PE.

I think we had some questions about the way it would work at the gate, and I'm not sure that those were ever fully answered.

The list has had a ton of issues on P+ flights ever since P+ was introduced, though, so I'm not the least bit surprised by this.

WineCountryUA Apr 20, 2021 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by Doppy (Post 33192301)
....
A cheap option to buy up to R came up, so I did that and re-applied PP after the ticket was reissued in R. ....

Not clear to me that this would be considered purchased PremiumPlus under the priority rules. Granted the fare class is R ( not RN?) but it still wasn't purchased R unless it was a true up-fare.

fumje Apr 21, 2021 9:05 am


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 33192545)
UA wrote that people in PE will clear to J before people in Y, but prior to the gate it could never have been accurate. GS instruments clear into PN space, which opens before PZ, and therefore someone in Y on a GS instrument was always going to be ahead of a non-GS in PE.

I think we had some questions about the way it would work at the gate, and I'm not sure that those were ever fully answered.

The list has had a ton of issues on P+ flights ever since P+ was introduced, though, so I'm not the least bit surprised by this.

Yes, with PN vs. PZ GS instruments definitely get de facto priority in clearing, but at least to me it wasn't clear that they had made the list sorting match that (because of what UA had said). From this example, though, I am guessing they have put GS at the top of the list regardless of listing from Y or O, and that they just never publicly stated that it works that way.

So while this might be another of the issues with the P+ list, I tend to suspect it's actually working correctly.

Doppy Apr 21, 2021 11:59 am


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 33192576)
Not clear to me that this would be considered purchased PremiumPlus under the priority rules. Granted the fare class is R ( not RN?) but it still wasn't purchased R unless it was a true up-fare.

I should have been more precise in my language. There was a $200 offer on the reservation to upgrade to PE, but then I checked doing a "flight change" instead, and it was only $100 to change the ticket and have it reissued. So that's what I did.

nomad420 Apr 23, 2021 11:10 am

Want to burn up some PPs, can you use them to upgrade a ticket purchased with miles? As noted status is 1K if that makes a difference. Also am MP CC holder (Club Card).
Thanks in advance.

WineCountryUA Apr 23, 2021 11:13 am


Originally Posted by nomad420 (Post 33200005)
Want to burn up some PPs, can you use them to upgrade a ticket purchased with miles? As noted status is 1K if that makes a difference. Also am MP CC holder (Club Card).
Thanks in advance.

GS only benefit

You can waitlist for a change from economy to F/Business award using miles or see if CPU works
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...ns-issues.html

united 1k flyer Apr 25, 2021 9:39 pm


Originally Posted by Doppy (Post 33194716)
I should have been more precise in my language. There was a $200 offer on the reservation to upgrade to PE, but then I checked doing a "flight change" instead, and it was only $100 to change the ticket and have it reissued. So that's what I did.

I have done this before, using the change flight tool I have saved so much money.


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