Premium Economy to Hawaii to launch in May 2021 - PlusPoints Now Required to Upgrade
Mar 29, 2021, 10:21 am
#46
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Have to look at this as more than O&D for domestic US. There is a significant European, particularly UK, market to HI and that involves a connection. If/when the US/UK air corridor becomes a reality, there will be a jump in premium cabin (as well as high-end hotel) for LH/UA & BA/AA.
Mar 29, 2021, 10:47 am
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I think that is as much a function of aircraft availability and where they want to deploy those planes. On the news this morning, they pointed out the Spring Break bump has brought roughly 21,000 visitors per day to Hawaii versus roughly 31,000+ on a pre-pandemic normal day.
Mar 29, 2021, 11:18 am
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I think that is as much a function of aircraft availability and where they want to deploy those planes. On the news this morning, they pointed out the Spring Break bump has brought roughly 21,000 visitors per day to Hawaii versus roughly 31,000+ on a pre-pandemic normal day.
If we are talking about the long-range schedules (such as when PP launches to Hawaii, or additional seats/flights start) I think the gap will be even narrower.
Mar 29, 2021, 1:43 pm
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DEN-LIH gets a similar upgauge too. Very exciting to see a widebody back in LIH after AA pulled the plug on their DFW-LIH 763 (which only lasted one season IIRC).
Mar 29, 2021, 2:33 pm
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Nice premium DEN-LIH. Random dates - BE is $800+ r.t. mid-week, 1100+ weekend. It'll be interesting relative to car rental and hotel prices - may be the highest summer rates ever.
Mar 29, 2021, 3:16 pm
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Clear UA is categorizing Hawaii flights toward the premium capacity side, with matching fares. And less so toward the more price conscious flyer.
Mar 29, 2021, 3:38 pm
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$1,100 is a bargain compared to rental cars. Yesterday, cheapest compacts at HNL were going for $350/day on April 1-4. They've been snatched up - the only car available at the airport is a single convertible for $1,942 (source orbitz). That's what happens when you send most of your cars to the mainland and sell them off.
Mar 29, 2021, 4:45 pm
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Looking at OGG -> EWR, I see a nonstop flight on 9/6, but don't see any after... https://thepointsguy.com/news/united...awaii-flights/ mentions that the route goes until 9/5, is this 9/6 flight likely to change? looking to buy F tickets but not sure if worth the risk at this point if it may change
Mar 29, 2021, 4:54 pm
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AT the moment, the majority of UA's schedule beyond 6-8 weeks out (present mid-May) is just a placeholder and is not meaningful and subject to signifincat change. At the moment, it appears UA is adding service but the total schedule further out has more capacity than UA is flying today.
Mar 29, 2021, 4:58 pm
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i see, so if it's important to have good seats (lie flat) we should look elsewhere? or does it seem likely the route will run and worth a gamble?
Mar 29, 2021, 5:04 pm
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UA seems to be focusing on Hawaii with premium seats, UA probably more likely than most to offer lie-flats but nothing is stable or predictable that far out. That's the reality of present airline schedules.
The good news is with the dropping of change fees, it is easier to be reactive if there is a change.
Mar 29, 2021, 6:45 pm
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On the flip side, there is a lot of money out there and a lot of people who will splurge to get out of town. People who might have flown BE a year ago are paying cash for a lie flat seat today and an ocean view when they get there.
Mar 29, 2021, 6:51 pm
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...Yesterday, cheapest compacts at HNL were going for $350/day on April 1-4. They've been snatched up - the only car available at the airport is a single convertible for $1,942 (source orbitz). That's what happens when you send most of your cars to the mainland and sell them off.
Mar 29, 2021, 7:55 pm
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None of the other carriers are any different on this, all are doing monthly updates in the 6-8 weeks zone
UA seems to be focusing on Hawaii with premium seats, UA probably more likely than most to offer lie-flats but nothing is stable or predictable that far out. That's the reality of present airline schedules.
The good news is with the dropping of change fees, it is easier to be reactive if there is a change.
UA seems to be focusing on Hawaii with premium seats, UA probably more likely than most to offer lie-flats but nothing is stable or predictable that far out. That's the reality of present airline schedules.
The good news is with the dropping of change fees, it is easier to be reactive if there is a change.
Mar 29, 2021, 8:23 pm
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I'm thinking if Hawaii becomes THE place to go this summer, last year's F fares will be this year's PE fares.
As a Hawaii resident who makes monthly trips off island, I'm kinda getting nervous about what the fares might be...
As a Hawaii resident who makes monthly trips off island, I'm kinda getting nervous about what the fares might be...