HKG-SIN to return! (cargo only initially)
May 6, 2020, 12:20 am
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My bet is this is to enable SIN-US cargo corridor. HKG being a shrewd smokescreen.
The irony is cargo is getting proper Polaris (and PP?) to/from SIN while passengers have not.
Remember Smisek putting a decrepit 737 on HKG-SIN for several months? Case study in incompetence.
The irony is cargo is getting proper Polaris (and PP?) to/from SIN while passengers have not.
Remember Smisek putting a decrepit 737 on HKG-SIN for several months? Case study in incompetence.
May 6, 2020, 12:20 am
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The fifth freedom flights were dropped because UA and NH believed they could get a substantial premium by offering nonstop service. AFAIK, all of the previous fifth freedom cities are part of the joint venture. It literally makes no difference to United whether you fly UA or NH across the water.
Unprofitable flights aren't going to get a business going.
May 6, 2020, 12:25 am
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That wasn't their strategy. At all.
The fifth freedom flights were dropped because UA and NH believed they could get a substantial premium by offering nonstop service. AFAIK, all of the previous fifth freedom cities are part of the joint venture. It literally makes no difference to United whether you fly UA or NH across the water.
The fifth freedom flights were dropped because UA and NH believed they could get a substantial premium by offering nonstop service. AFAIK, all of the previous fifth freedom cities are part of the joint venture. It literally makes no difference to United whether you fly UA or NH across the water.
May 6, 2020, 12:30 am
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SIN got me hooked to FT, United and pseudo mileage runs. And the Conrad Centennial Singapore.
May 6, 2020, 12:36 am
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2004 if not earlier. Back in the good old days a UA 747 from HKG and a 777 from NRT would pull into Changi around midnight every day. With me on one or the other several times.
SIN got me hooked to FT, United and pseudo mileage runs. And the Conrad Centennial Singapore.
SIN got me hooked to FT, United and pseudo mileage runs. And the Conrad Centennial Singapore.
May 6, 2020, 12:42 am
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My understanding is that it was beyond Japan to whatever other destinations the various governments would allow. I had thought it included both HKG and SIN, but, like I said, take it with a grain of salt.
May 6, 2020, 12:52 am
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2004 if not earlier. Back in the good old days a UA 747 from HKG and a 777 from NRT would pull into Changi around midnight every day. With me on one or the other several times.
SIN got me hooked to FT, United and pseudo mileage runs. And the Conrad Centennial Singapore.
SIN got me hooked to FT, United and pseudo mileage runs. And the Conrad Centennial Singapore.
May 6, 2020, 12:56 am
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yes nowadays you have to take a ps EWR-SFO To get to SIN. And a domestic transcon after stepping off a 15 hr transpac and doing customs in SF on the return. Brutal. My sympathies.
May 6, 2020, 2:07 am
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That wasn't their strategy. At all.
The fifth freedom flights were dropped because UA and NH believed they could get a substantial premium by offering nonstop service. AFAIK, all of the previous fifth freedom cities are part of the joint venture. It literally makes no difference to United whether you fly UA or NH across the water.
Unprofitable flights aren't going to get a business going.
The fifth freedom flights were dropped because UA and NH believed they could get a substantial premium by offering nonstop service. AFAIK, all of the previous fifth freedom cities are part of the joint venture. It literally makes no difference to United whether you fly UA or NH across the water.
Unprofitable flights aren't going to get a business going.
If you have a flight that can fly an ultra competitive route, compared to grounding the flight sitting all the aircraft at the major hubs, would you prefer to still fly it or sitting the bird at all?
In tough times there will be tough measures. At the minimum you still need cargo, which is why UA applies for HKG-SIN again.
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May 6, 2020, 3:05 am
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It's probably going to be a bit more comfortable flying to SIN via HKG. SFO-SIN is a really long flight regardless which cabin you're in.
May 6, 2020, 3:19 am
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May 6, 2020, 3:33 am
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May 6, 2020, 5:28 am
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May 6, 2020, 5:37 am
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