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Old May 12, 2020, 2:04 pm
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https://www.unitedcargo.com/
Widebody Schedule May 5-11-20
cargo-only flights are listed

12 May 2020
Originally Posted by EWR764
UA cargo-only service for May listed by hub with return flights mostly deleted (cargo-only sections in 27XX/28XX flight number range):

EWR-BOM 2830 77W 3x
EWR-FRA 2798 77W/787 3x
EWR-SFO 2730 77W 1x

GUM-LAX 2797 77W/787 Daily (operating PVG-LAX-GUM)
GUM-PVG 2778 77W Daily
GUM-SFO 2849 77W 3x (operating TPE-GUM-SFO)
GUM-TPE 2847 77W 3x

HKG-SIN 2861 77W/787 3x

IAD-BRU 2792 787 3x
IAD-DUB 2816 787 3x
IAD-NRT 2863 787 Daily
IAD-SJU 2810 77W 1x

IAH-AMS 2786 77W 2x
IAH-FRA 2788 77W 3x
IAH-SCL 2790 787 2x

LAX-FRA 2796 77W 3x
LAX-GUM 2765 77W Daily (operating LAX-GUM-PVG)
LAX-HKG 2852 77W Daily
LAX-HKG 2774 77W Daily
LAX-LHR 2800 787 2x
LAX-SYD 2812 787 4x

NRT-CTU 2801 787 Daily
NRT-PEK 2845 787 Daily
NRT-PEK 2822 787 Daily
NRT-PEK 2836 787 4x
NRT-PVG 2808 787 Daily
NRT-PVG 2850 787 Daily

ORD-AMS 2810 787 2x
ORD-BRU 2841 787 Daily
ORD-FRA 2776 77W 3x
ORD-HKG 2865 77W Daily
ORD-LHR 2806 787 2x
ORD-NRT 2820 787 Daily
ORD-NRT 2821 787 Daily
ORD-SFO 2853 77W 1x
ORD-ZRH 2782 787 3x

SFO-AMS 2768 77W 3x
SFO-FRA 2780 77W 2x
SFO-GUM 2846 77W 3x
SFO-HKG 2861 77W/787 3x
SFO-ICN 2832 787 3x
SFO-MEL 2854 1x
SFO-NRT 2826 787 Daily
SFO-NRT 2834 787 Daily
SFO-NRT 2835 787 4x
SFO-SYD 2812 787 3x

All 777 flights are 77W, 787s are EQV, all series, but mostly 789.

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Old Jul 22, 2020, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764
United is flying the crap out of its 787s and 777-300ERs right now for cargo service, with incremental pax where possible. This won't last forever, but cargo revenue is up 36% year over year and comprised about 27% of United's operating revenues in the quarter, compared to around 2.5% in Q2 last year. It's pretty remarkable...

By comparison, Delta's cargo revenue actually declined in the quarter (yoy), to about $100m; only around 6% of operating revenue (~1.5% normally). This is one area where United is really excelling.
The 777-300ER and 787-9/10 have superior cargo capabilities, which really helps. You can’t get the same type of payload in most other widebody pax aircraft.
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Old Jul 22, 2020, 8:44 am
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Originally Posted by fly18725
The 777-300ER and 787-9/10 have superior cargo capabilities, which really helps. You can’t get the same type of payload in most other widebody pax aircraft.
It's also very easy to park a fleet of mostly paid-for 777-200s and 767s (which aren't optimized for cargo hauling). The 787s and 77Ws are eminently capable, mostly new, with big payments, and need to fly.
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Old Jul 22, 2020, 11:59 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
United is flying the crap out of its 787s and 777-300ERs right now for cargo service, with incremental pax where possible. This won't last forever, but cargo revenue is up 36% year over year and comprised about 27% of United's operating revenues in the quarter, compared to around 2.5% in Q2 last year. It's pretty remarkable...

By comparison, Delta's cargo revenue actually declined in the quarter (yoy), to about $100m; only around 6% of operating revenue (~1.5% normally). This is one area where United is really excelling.
Any indication how AA does on the cargo side compared to UA?
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Old Jul 23, 2020, 6:08 am
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Any indication how AA does on the cargo side compared to UA?
AA cargo revenue down significantly compared to last year.
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Old Jul 23, 2020, 6:15 am
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Originally Posted by fly18725
AA cargo revenue down significantly compared to last year.
I was very surprised by this, because AA has been touting its dedicated cargo network and a similar number of worldwide all-cargo flights.
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Old Jul 23, 2020, 7:14 pm
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I was very surprised by this, because AA has been touting its dedicated cargo network and a similar number of worldwide all-cargo flights.
Could it be fleet-related: many A330s & B772s, relatively few 77Ws & 787s?
Further, UA might have a better-established cargo sales & operational network vs AA & DL.
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Old Jul 23, 2020, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by cesco.g
Could it be fleet-related: many A330s & B772s, relatively few 77Ws & 787s?
Further, UA might have a better-established cargo sales & operational network vs AA & DL.
They aren't too far apart in these fleets... UA has 22 77W to AA's 20, and UA has 55 787 to AA's 44 (though not all presently in service). Looking at the schedules, UA and AA are doing about the same number of all-cargo widebody flights per week. It will be interesting to see the 3Q cargo results since a lot of the AA cargo flying has ramped up in the last month or so.
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Old Aug 13, 2020, 12:01 am
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Since we're talking about Wide-Body aircraft that use ULD containers and pallets to store luggage and cargo, Wikipedia shows the capaicity of each aircraft. Of the equipment in UAs fleet, the biggest cargo carriers are 77W (44 LD3s), 78X (40 LD3s) and 789 (36 LD3s). The 772s only hold 32 of them, making them less optimal.

Maybe when the increased international service starts in September we'll see a few more 772s come out of storage if this is an increase in the number of flights, but otherwise I see them staying in the barnyard for the forseable future.

Also, I'm assuming that a container can be loaded with any desirable parcel and they can be used interchangably between luggage and freight.

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Old Aug 13, 2020, 8:19 pm
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Originally Posted by phkc070408
Since we're talking about Wide-Body aircraft that use ULD containers and pallets to store luggage and cargo, Wikipedia shows the capaicity of each aircraft. Of the equipment in UAs fleet, the biggest cargo carriers are 77W (44 LD3s), 78X (40 LD3s) and 789 (36 LD3s). The 772s only hold 32 of them, making them less optimal.

Maybe when the increased international service starts in September we'll see a few more 772s come out of storage if this is an increase in the number of flights, but otherwise I see them staying in the barnyard for the forseable future.

Also, I'm assuming that a container can be loaded with any desirable parcel and they can be used interchangably between luggage and freight.

Wikipedia
Most of the cargo stations prefer PMCs to AKEs. Pallets are easier to build various larger types of cargo with less wasted space. General rule is 4 positions for 1 PMC however 6 positions for 2.

The 772s and the 767s are smaller and yes less desirable for freight. Mail however loves AKEs.
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Old Aug 13, 2020, 9:15 pm
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Back in the dark ages (1970s) when I worked Air Freight, LD3s were AVEs. Are they now AKEs?
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Old Aug 14, 2020, 4:45 am
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it is nice to see the Dreamliners and 77Ws circulating through GUM daily. They park at the airport so I guess that justifies having the GUM UA agents/ ops team in the airports? On the other hand it is sad because UA is the only passenger airline landing and taking off at the terminal
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Old Aug 14, 2020, 2:10 pm
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Originally Posted by wpcoe
Back in the dark ages (1970s) when I worked Air Freight, LD3s were AVEs. Are they now AKEs?
Ha! UA still has AVEs in circulation. They're almost the same as AKEs but the latter are make up the vast majority now. They're used basically interchangeably.
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Old Sep 12, 2020, 11:24 pm
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LAX-MEL cargo?
I noticed the gate information for LAX-MEL, departing at 5:30 am. I guess there will be No passengers. LAX-GUM is listed on wiki.


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Old Sep 13, 2020, 12:00 am
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The number of cargo has increased, go to https://cargo.united.com and look for the wide-body schedule. On there cargo-only flights are marked
LAX<>MEL is a twice a week fight UA2855/UA2856
UA 28xx and sometimes UA27xx are indicators o cargo-only flights
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Old Oct 18, 2020, 4:16 pm
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What is the purpose of sending an empty 789 to SCL roundtrip, aren't they trying to save money?
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