What happened to the a350 order?
Nov 29, 2022, 7:48 pm
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Would love to hear an update. A350 is better for passengers if they don't decide to go with the awful new 10 across configuration from the current 9. Wider seats and traditional window shades are superior but I know the dimming windows are now an option and supposedly newest darker generation (will see...).
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Nov 29, 2022, 7:48 pm
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Bumping this old thread. As far as I can tell there has been no movement on this order. The summer 2021 narrow body order had no impact. The only other news, dated October 2022, seems to be speculation of “triple-digit widebody aircraft order that's reportedly come down to a two-horse race between the Airbus A350 and Boeing's B787 Dreamliner”
Nov 29, 2022, 8:42 pm
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Nov 29, 2022, 9:36 pm
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Would love to hear an update. A350 is better for passengers if they don't decide to go with the awful new 10 across configuration from the current 9. Wider seats and traditional window shades are superior but I know the dimming windows are now an option and supposedly newest darker generation (will see...).
Nov 29, 2022, 10:01 pm
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Nov 29, 2022, 11:49 pm
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Airbus is being hoist on its own petard for trying to bully its customers, and passengers are going to be the ones who suffer the most.
Dec 13, 2022, 9:50 am
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Dec 13, 2022, 9:53 am
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I wouldn't go that far. At some point, those 772 and 77W a/c will have to be replaced and other than those, the only one in UA's fleet that can do really long haul is the 789 which "only" has 257 seats. There's nothing in Boeing's current 787 lineup that can truly replace the 77W so maybe that's when the A350 will appear for UA.
note to jsloan -- thanks for pointing out my error with the "X" and "W". Senior moment? I've corrected above.
note to jsloan -- thanks for pointing out my error with the "X" and "W". Senior moment? I've corrected above.
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Dec 13, 2022, 9:59 am
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I mean they have deferred it into the 2030s now is my understanding and they keep harping on fleet simplification as being a big plus of this large 787 order making for ease of equipment swaps, staffing, maintenance, facilities requirements etc. With the 100 committed 787s being enough to replace the entire 767 fleet by the end of the decade and half the 777 fleet (whole fleet if they exercise the additional 100 option with left overs for new equipment), ? some replacement of 757 with these (althought A321XLR seems more likely to be majority of 757 replacements), it seems like Airbus and the A350 isn't really in the picture for UA's widebody plans anytime in the next decade.
Dec 13, 2022, 10:01 am
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I wouldn't go that far. At some point, those 772 and 77X a/c will have to be replaced and other than those, the only one in UA's fleet that can do really long haul is the 789 which "only" has 257 seats. There's nothing in Boeing's current 787 lineup that can truly replace the 77X so maybe that's when the A350 will appear for UA.
However, I suspect that this is a dodge, and that the 772HD will eventually be replaced by the 777-9 and the Polaris 772/77W will be replaced by the 777-8.
I continue to maintain that if UA wanted the A350, they'd already have it. I'm sure they're continuing to look for a way to get out from under the Rolls Royce engine contract while presumably using the threat of actually taking delivery to extract a better price from Boeing.
Dec 13, 2022, 10:06 am
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UA has the 77W (777-300ER). The 77X (777-8 and 777-9, styled as "777X") isn't available yet, and UA hasn't shown any particular interest in purchasing it.
However, I suspect that this is a dodge, and that the 772HD will eventually be replaced by the 777-9 and the Polaris 772/77W will be replaced by the 777-8.
I continue to maintain that if UA wanted the A350, they'd already have it. I'm sure they're continuing to look for a way to get out from under the Rolls Royce engine contract while presumably using the threat of actually taking delivery to extract a better price from Boeing.
However, I suspect that this is a dodge, and that the 772HD will eventually be replaced by the 777-9 and the Polaris 772/77W will be replaced by the 777-8.
I continue to maintain that if UA wanted the A350, they'd already have it. I'm sure they're continuing to look for a way to get out from under the Rolls Royce engine contract while presumably using the threat of actually taking delivery to extract a better price from Boeing.
Dec 13, 2022, 10:20 am
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UA has the 77W (777-300ER). The 77X (777-8 and 777-9, styled as "777X") isn't available yet, and UA hasn't shown any particular interest in purchasing it.
However, I suspect that this is a dodge, and that the 772HD will eventually be replaced by the 777-9 and the Polaris 772/77W will be replaced by the 777-8.
I continue to maintain that if UA wanted the A350, they'd already have it. I'm sure they're continuing to look for a way to get out from under the Rolls Royce engine contract while presumably using the threat of actually taking delivery to extract a better price from Boeing.
However, I suspect that this is a dodge, and that the 772HD will eventually be replaced by the 777-9 and the Polaris 772/77W will be replaced by the 777-8.
I continue to maintain that if UA wanted the A350, they'd already have it. I'm sure they're continuing to look for a way to get out from under the Rolls Royce engine contract while presumably using the threat of actually taking delivery to extract a better price from Boeing.
Dec 13, 2022, 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by United
Approximately 100 planes of the new widebody order are expected to replace older Boeing 767 and Boeing 777 aircraft, with all 767 aircraft removed from the United fleet by 2030
The impression I get from UA's announcement is based on the expected growth they aren't necessarily looking for an extended 777, but rather by the time they're in the position to get rid of the 777, the routes its being used on could be better served by a 787, likely with additional frequency to make up for the capacity differences. Not that they've ruled out a 77X completely, but until Boeing has something more tangible and definitive production timeline, it's not something they're heavily considering in their fleet planning (much like the A350).
Dec 13, 2022, 11:22 am
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Thanks... I carelessly messed up my lettering. Will there be any commonality between the 777-8/9 and the 787 series? I suppose there isn't any good way to answer that now anyway. Unless airlines can have crew commonality with the 787, it's not obvious what the advantage will be for the 777-8/9 over the existing A350 once the current fleet of 772 and 77W has to be replaced. Also, I've assumed all along the 789 mostly replaces a 772 anyway but that might be wrong.