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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Dec 13, 2014, 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA Guy
I'm booked in business class in "D" for JNB-FRA on the A380, tried to use GPU to upgrade to First but got "Your paid fare class is not eligible for upgrades. (Error code: 523)" Hope new business class seats make it in time for my flight...
Maybe call in?

D is should be eligible.
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Old Dec 13, 2014, 7:35 pm
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Originally Posted by weero
Maybe call in?

D is should be eligible.
That's what I thought, will do!
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Old Dec 14, 2014, 10:26 am
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For anyone that's been confirmed, are you confirmed into I or O class, as opposed to some other inventory?
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Old Dec 14, 2014, 11:17 am
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Answering my own question. Confirms into I class (for Y to C). However, uncertain whether UA pulls from the regular I inventory available for UA MP awards (and viewable online) or some subset of I. Would be surprised if it's a subset.
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Old Dec 14, 2014, 11:51 am
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Does the ticket need to have an 016 number or even be purchased through United - or can I get the flight booked from LH website or equivalent and apply the GPU later that way?

Said another way, can all flights on an itinerary for GPU application be LHXXX flight numbers with no UA codeshares involved at all?
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Old Dec 14, 2014, 12:59 pm
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Any ticket stock will do.
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Old Dec 15, 2014, 9:28 am
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12/12 fra - den ua 8878 / lh446

I was on the return leg of my business trip last Friday, FRA - DEN UA 8878 / LH446.

Had paper certificates overnighted to me since trip was booked within ~7 days of flight. Applied my DEN - FRA paper cert at checkin ~3 hours before and was fine, though it was a bit hectic.

Then the email came through that GPU certs would go electronic for LH. I was a bit worried since I already had a paper cert in hand and was already in Germany.

Was unable to use the website to apply certificate (maybe because I booked on the UA codeshare flight and not LH 446?)... Anyways, was hoping to get confirmed the night before when I arrived in Frankfurt, but just got a waitlist at checkin.

went back next AM first thing... still waitlist. Bummer, as I had wanted to use the first class terminal at FRA. I got upgraded at the gate around T-2, but I bet if I had waited any longer I would have lost it. I had been checking for days at there were 3 seats open in F, and that was the case even when checking in the night before, and first thing morning of the 12th (flight not til 1:30). When I finally got to gate it appeared I got the final F seat.

A lot of stress and confusion, but got the upgrade in the end.
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Old Dec 15, 2014, 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by SFO_FT
For anyone that's been confirmed, are you confirmed into I or O class, as opposed to some other inventory?
Pulls into O for J->F upgrade.

I've now called 3 times and spent over 2.5 hours and United can't seem to get them to pull an GPU that expires January 2015 for a flight in January - they keep pulling one that expires January 2016. Of course, no response from 1K voice either about this.
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Old Dec 15, 2014, 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Yes, but if you're booked on a UA codeshare, (1) you have to call United MP (which likely means waiting a long time to be connected to an agent) instead of just trying the upgrade online, and (2) they have to convert the flight to a pure LH flight number.

So far I've had bad luck with my 016 ticket stock booking... My LH flight out of MUC is "sold out" in first class, so they can't even request an upgrade for my D biz ticket. There is another flight leaving FRA the same day with 3 open first class seats, but UA says that LH has no D biz tickets for that flight, so I can't get on it in the first place to even have the chance at requesting an upgrade.

I have a paper cert (requested before December 10th) that I can still try to use at the airport, but I'm not holding my breath. What's funny (not really) is this new GPU process is causing me more grief than if my paper cert would have been denied on my day of travel. Sure I'd be disappointed for not getting the upgrade, but at least I wouldn't be wasting all this time on the phone with awful UA CS!

On another note, I just checked the ANA tool and it's showing zero award space available in first class for all possible flights I'd consider taking from MUC or FRA within 7 days on either end of my travel date.
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Old Dec 15, 2014, 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by mre5765
Upgrading from J to F out of DEN is, I suspect, going to be a problem, because as I understand it, upgrade and award F inventory is the same. IME, F inventory often doesn't open up at T-10 hours on the DEN/FRA flight.
A bit OT, but upgrading from J to F out of DEN is always dicey considering they don't always offer F out of DEN.
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Old Dec 15, 2014, 11:10 am
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This might be too early for anyone to know but I wanted to ask:

Will having a meal preference be an issue with the electronic upgrade process? I know the paper GPU Wiki said that a meal preference would pose an issue. I am wondering if the new electronic ones are the same or if it doesn't matter since they are not same day upgrades?

I'm asking because I am currently wait-listed for two flights and wonder if taking off my meal preference would help.

Thanks!
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Old Dec 15, 2014, 12:04 pm
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Meal preference will not do anything to your listing, but note that LH can only confirm and load special meals at T>24h
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Old Dec 16, 2014, 4:38 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
As long as you avoid codeshares and are willing to call and wait for 45 min+.
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Old Dec 16, 2014, 6:56 am
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Originally Posted by IADFlyer123
Per this page, the non-eligible fare classes are: L, T, X, I, R, N, S, W, Z, P, K, O, ID, AD, IP and V. Looks like they subtly made the change and now Q and above is only eligible for GPU Upgrades!!!
Has anyone tried to upgrade a V fare at the airport AFTER Dec 10 2014 with a paper cert issued before Dec 10? Results? Thanks.

Last edited by SFOTerry; Dec 17, 2014 at 8:16 am Reason: clarification
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Old Dec 16, 2014, 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by SFOTerry
Has anyone tried to upgrade a V fare at the airport with a paper cert issued before Dec 10? Results? Thanks.
Once, MUC to BOM during a 5 hour layover in Munich. This was in October last year.
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