Oct 29, 2018, 2:14 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
UA has started installing Premium Plus / Premium Economy seats in 772s and 773s. Other long haul aircraft will also be receiving these new seats.
For 77x it is a 2-4-2 (vs economy 3-4-3) with 3 rows - 24 seats
For 76x it is believe it will be 2-2-2 (vs 2-3-2) with 3 rows ( and maybe a partial row) - 22 seats
For 78x it is believed it will be 2-3-2 (vs 3-3-3) with 3 rows - 21 seats
UA has not yet started selling this new cabin but has restructured its fare class -- which appears to be in preparation of selling the new cabin (and removed 3-class F)
In the meantime, the Premium Plus cabin is being treated as an extension of E+ and those with E+ access can select the new seats.
In many cases UA is initially using an interim seat maps, such as https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1926142-interim-772-seat-map-polaris-potentially-premium-economy-2018-a.html
Things start to firm up about 2 days prior but last minute changes can happen
For 77x it is a 2-4-2 (vs economy 3-4-3) with 3 rows - 24 seats
For 76x it is believe it will be 2-2-2 (vs 2-3-2) with 3 rows ( and maybe a partial row) - 22 seats
For 78x it is believed it will be 2-3-2 (vs 3-3-3) with 3 rows - 21 seats
UA has not yet started selling this new cabin but has restructured its fare class -- which appears to be in preparation of selling the new cabin (and removed 3-class F)
In the meantime, the Premium Plus cabin is being treated as an extension of E+ and those with E+ access can select the new seats.
In many cases UA is initially using an interim seat maps, such as https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1926142-interim-772-seat-map-polaris-potentially-premium-economy-2018-a.html
Things start to firm up about 2 days prior but last minute changes can happen
Real Premium Economy is Coming [Update: UA studying "Real" Prem Y in domestic market]
Jun 19, 2018, 10:37 am
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My guess is that it will be extremely route specific, but that you can get an idea by searching for PE on other carriers on the route(s) you're interested in. UA will likely match their fares.
Jun 19, 2018, 11:19 am
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If you want a completely rough prediction, if an international Y fare might be $1100 r/t, and a J fare might be $4500, you might see PE at $2300 or something. That's based on what I have seen from other carriers.
Jun 19, 2018, 2:02 pm
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This. I would be shocked if it was not price-competitive with existing PE products.
Jun 21, 2018, 3:22 pm
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Seatmap for 772 with PE is not yet posted on united.com but is now viewable using the flight status tool. It appears PE will be rows 20, 21, 22:
Jun 21, 2018, 4:29 pm
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1. I bet United spent a long time finalizing the Polaris seat icons. Looks like they put zero effort into the PE seat icon. That gives me reassurance UA has relatively modest expectations for PE. Extra few hundred dollars from ~20 people per flight. Seems like there's no sinister plan to have GPU go Y > PE vs Y > J. If they were thinking along those lines, they would have juiced up the seat icon...
2. I wonder if 22 ABKL is recline restricted in any way?
3. I wonder if row 20 has limited foot space due to the Polaris wall in front?
Jun 21, 2018, 5:17 pm
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With that layout I see opups to j
Jun 21, 2018, 5:52 pm
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1. I bet United spent a long time finalizing the Polaris seat icons. Looks like they put zero effort into the PE seat icon. That gives me reassurance UA has relatively modest expectations for PE. Extra few hundred dollars from ~20 people per flight. Seems like there's no sinister plan to have GPU go Y > PE vs Y > J. If they were thinking along those lines, they would have juiced up the seat icon...
Jun 21, 2018, 6:21 pm
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UA is going to be selling this as Y+ at the start, I would assume a different icon (or at least color) when the product is officially launched.
Jun 23, 2018, 4:39 pm
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My takeaways from the pic:
1. I bet United spent a long time finalizing the Polaris seat icons. Looks like they put zero effort into the PE seat icon. That gives me reassurance UA has relatively modest expectations for PE. Extra few hundred dollars from ~20 people per flight. Seems like there's no sinister plan to have GPU go Y > PE vs Y > J. If they were thinking along those lines, they would have juiced up the seat icon...
2. I wonder if 22 ABKL is recline restricted in any way?
3. I wonder if row 20 has limited foot space due to the Polaris wall in front?
1. I bet United spent a long time finalizing the Polaris seat icons. Looks like they put zero effort into the PE seat icon. That gives me reassurance UA has relatively modest expectations for PE. Extra few hundred dollars from ~20 people per flight. Seems like there's no sinister plan to have GPU go Y > PE vs Y > J. If they were thinking along those lines, they would have juiced up the seat icon...
2. I wonder if 22 ABKL is recline restricted in any way?
3. I wonder if row 20 has limited foot space due to the Polaris wall in front?
For now, a separate PE seat icon doesn't make much sense because the cabin is still E+, and in the case of the inevitable aircraft swaps, perhaps UA wants to manage expectations. It's also a conventional seat rather than a lieflat, so there's really no reason to make it look different... domestic F is still just a square.
Jun 23, 2018, 4:48 pm
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Jun 24, 2018, 3:41 am
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Well, it looks like the very first P+ Flight is slated to be UA990(25) SFO-CDG
According to the Fleet Site, this plane has been released from XMN and has P+ installed.
According to FlightAware, this plane is currently enroute to SFO and is scheduled to debut on UA990(25) SFO-CDG
According to United.com, there is no seat map listed under Travel Information/Aircraft Details/777-200 for a P+ equipped plane.
Checking the status of UA990(25) the seat map does not show a P+ Cabin, but shows the first three rows of Y+ being in a 2-4-2 configuration.
I guess this means that UA is giving P+ seats to Y+ passengers until there is more inventory, the way F is going to J passengers.
If anyone can get any pictures of this cabin, it would be greatly appreciated.
According to the Fleet Site, this plane has been released from XMN and has P+ installed.
According to FlightAware, this plane is currently enroute to SFO and is scheduled to debut on UA990(25) SFO-CDG
According to United.com, there is no seat map listed under Travel Information/Aircraft Details/777-200 for a P+ equipped plane.
Checking the status of UA990(25) the seat map does not show a P+ Cabin, but shows the first three rows of Y+ being in a 2-4-2 configuration.
I guess this means that UA is giving P+ seats to Y+ passengers until there is more inventory, the way F is going to J passengers.
If anyone can get any pictures of this cabin, it would be greatly appreciated.
Jun 24, 2018, 5:32 am
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Jun 24, 2018, 5:45 am
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Just tried a dummy booking SFO-CDG on UA990/25June as a non-status member, and was surprised that the PE seat doesn't go for a premium over a comparable non-PE Y+ seat. Both 21E and 31E were offered for $183. With the dynamic pricing for various Y+ seats, I thought the PE seats would be more.
Jun 24, 2018, 5:54 am
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Just tried a dummy booking SFO-CDG on UA990/25June as a non-status member, and was surprised that the PE seat doesn't go for a premium over a comparable non-PE Y+ seat. Both 21E and 31E were offered for $183. With the dynamic pricing for various Y+ seats, I thought the PE seats would be more.
Otherwise, I've always thought UA's E+ fee is ridiculously high, for both domestic and international flights. I'd be shocked if more than a few people actually pay for E+ on most flights.