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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:17 pm
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Originally Posted by br2k
Yet they clearly do have a magical ability to summon hired goons at will and have them assault someone. I wonder if it makes sense to empower them more on the positive side (but then again - not with this airline, I suppose, and not as long as customer is the enemy)
Not sure if you've ever been to an airport, but it generally has a lot of these "hired goons." The Chicago Department of Aviation calls them "Commissioned Police Officers."
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:17 pm
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Originally Posted by rgrobins
No. The police will likely tell you to refer to the Contract of Carriage and recognize the authority the FAA grants to the flight crew.
And of course you can take up any such disputes in civil court, and who knows, you might win if you are in the right.

It baffles me how many people seem to think we don't have a functioning justice system or that plaintiffs never win...
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:17 pm
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Are you alleging he was targeted because of his race? Is there any evidence of this?
The victim himself alleged that he was targeted because of his race, on the spot, before being assaulted! See CNN story.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by simpletastes
And not being assaulted?
Exactly. The top end offer is one fourth what it costs to put the deadheaders on a coach bus or a charter flight and send them to Louisville, paid in cash, not vouchers.

UA should have offered cash, and they should have offered more. They should have been willing to hire a coach and drive their crew to Louisville.

FWIW, that doctor probably had to generate a lot more than $400 the next day just to pay his overhead, never mind the reputational harm the inconvenience of a last minute clinic cancellation brings. Patients don't like to be cancelled either. If he was a surgeon, missing an OR start time carries the same professional significance as missing your preflight brief. Not good.

The entire cascade of decisions was flawed at every decision point. Turning an inadequate incentive offer (that no one aboard thought was worth taking, remember) to a random ejection and then treating it as a law enforcement issue, which it never was, is only another. The mindless willingness of airport police to treat a passenger who was boarded and seated as a disruptive trespasser, which he never was, is yet another. The police could have told the airline employees that it isn't their job to act as a private goon squad any time the airline feels like breaching its carrier contract with a passenger after offering pitifully inadequate compensation for the inconvenience of cancellation.

United Airlines and the O'Hare Airport authority should be punished for this. They will deserve it. They will likely settle quietly and with a large payment with their paying passenger they publicly battered and abused, and it will cost them far more than any charter might have cost to move their employees the 300 miles from Chicago to Louisville. The gate agent and involved cabin crew and the responding police officer should be disciplined and fired for failure to exercise sound professional judgment.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Wexflyer
You are wrong. The victim himself alleged racism before being assaulted by United's goons!
Just because you allege racism doesn't excuse you from being detained or arrested.

Police departments and police officers can, and often are, punished for engaging in discrimination. I don't see any reason this passenger could not sue for the same relief, assuming there really is a pattern of the Chicago police discriminating against Asian men.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Joshua
I have the same magical ability. Call 911, say there's a security problem on the plane, I guarantee cops will show up.

You seem to be saying that calling the police is somehow wrong or an immoral act. I have a hard time understanding how you can think that.
First, I am guessing you have not actually had to call police much. You might be surprised at how exactly they handle a call from a rank and file citizen. It is quite different from the way they handle request from the staff of the biggest carrier in the airport.

Moreover, you have no way to call *airport security* which is the people that perpetrated this.

And yes, calling police where there is no valid reason to do so is, in fact, both wrong and immoral. I believe there is a law against doing so in most jurisdictions.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:19 pm
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Originally Posted by BearX220
Funny or Die weighs in. This is a brand in a firestorm.

https://twitter.com/funnyordie/statu...83094926725120
On the mark. Shows their hypocrisy.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Wexflyer
The victim himself alleged that he was targeted because of his race, on the spot, before being assaulted! See CNN story.
As an Asian, I'm offended that anyone would play the race card to justify failure to comply with a police officer.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:19 pm
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This thread is way too long for me to read every page, but of the 20 or so I've read so far I haven't seen anything so I'll go ahead and post this first hand account of someone who was on the flight (from Reddit): https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comme...d_cia/dg3hshx/
"Before the flight started they were offering 150 bucks in vouchers to anyone who would get bumped but the next flight wasn't until the next day at about 3 in the afternoon.
After we got on the plane, I was zone 3, they raised it to four hundred dollars. About ten minutes later they raised it to 800. At this point the plane was completely boarded. Then the stewardess came on and basically told us this plane was not moving until four people got off, they said they needed it for four United employees (who I later noticed were two stewardesses and two pilots).
About ten minutes later (30 minutes after we should have left) the manager came on with a clipboard and told this gentleman in the video that he payed the lowest and had to get off the flight. He said absolutely not, he wasn't screaming but I could hear him as it was a small flight.
She shuffled around for a bit then talked to him again, this was the point when someone offered her 1600 and she laughed at him, then she told the asian guy that he was going to get physically removed.
She called security, then one guy showed up who didn't look like police to me. He talked to him (much more calmly than the manager) but with no luck. The guy wasn't budging, said he was a doctor and had to go to work early in the morning. The guys backup came, a cop and a plainclothes, and then the video starts. They knock him around and drag him out.
At this point I think everything is over, but about ten minutes later he comes running back in with a bloody mouth saying that he had to get back home over and over, I think he was concussed.
The employees asked us all to get off the plane so they could handle the situation. We went back into the terminal. They somehow get him into a wheelchair and put him in an ambulance. They cleaned the blood out of the plane and put us back on about an hour after we got off. Then they sent us on our way, friendly skies huh"
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by CHenry
FWIW, that doctor probably had to generate a lot more than $400 the next day just to pay his overhead, never mind the reputational harm the inconvenience of a last minute clinic cancellation brings. Patients don't like to be cancelled either. If he was a surgeon, missing an OR start time carries the same professional significance as missing your preflight brief. Not good.
I often absolutely must be present at a site for some reason or another. When that is the case, I don't fly out the night before. I usually try to travel a whole day before, and if things are so bad I get delayed to the night before, I notify everyone and let them know there's a significant chance I won't be there when they're expecting me.

I would expect a doctor, who is well educated and well trained, would know and understand this.

I'd be a lot more sympathetic if this were a fast food worker worried about missing his shift.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:20 pm
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CNN mentioned a little bit ago that UA sent out an email to it's employees about the incident? Anybody see that yet?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Wexflyer
You are wrong. The victim himself alleged racism before being assaulted by United's goons!
Not wrong at all. There is ZERO evidence race was a factor.

Just because someone screams the sky is falling does not make it so.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Joshua
Comparing someone insisting he needs to be on a flight that is being poorly operated by a small, private airline is entirely different than what Rose Parks did, and is frankly offensive.

As far as "just following orders", it's not like there was some huge civil rights issue at play here. This fellow is a doctor. He has influence. I am sure he could tell people how poor United service to/from Louisville is.

Rose Parks was a secretary for crying out loud. Not exactly someone with a huge amount of influence.
So I guess secretaries are lower class and do not have rights?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:22 pm
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When it is the last flight of the night requiring staying overnight the compensation should always be higher.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:22 pm
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I just came to this thread. Would someone mind summarizing the first 1208 posts? Is there anything I could say that hasn't been said already?
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