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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:22 pm
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Reposition crew to SDF for emergency reposition.

3 pax accepted offer 1 pax (alleged doctor) did not

Offer to compensate him up to $1,000 and rebook on later flight he refused.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:22 pm
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Originally Posted by rgrobins
As an Asian, I'm offended that anyone would play the race card to justify failure to comply with a police officer.
Who intervened in a non-safety related commercial dispute.

(I do admire uniformed officers, but not when they act in the commercial interest of airlines.)
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:22 pm
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CNN mentioned a little bit ago that UA sent out an email to it's employees about the incident? Anybody see that yet?
It has reportedly been leaked and, if authentic, the content is even more tone deaf than the original statement.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by rgrobins
As an Asian, I'm offended that anyone would play the race card to justify failure to comply with a police officer.
You don't speak for the entire Asian race.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:23 pm
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About ten minutes later (30 minutes after we should have left) the manager came on with a clipboard and told this gentleman in the video that he payed the lowest and had to get off the flight. He said absolutely not, he wasn't screaming but I could hear him as it was a small flight.
LOL. Can't believe she had the balls to say that out loud, how did she expect anyone to react
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by br2k
First, I am guessing you have not actually had to call police much. You might be surprised at how exactly they handle a call from a rank and file citizen. It is quite different from the way they handle request from the staff of the biggest carrier in the airport.

Moreover, you have no way to call *airport security* which is the people that perpetrated this.

And yes, calling police where there is no valid reason to do so is, in fact, both wrong and immoral. I believe there is a law against doing so in most jurisdictions.
Then go file a criminal suit against Trans States Airlines and their employee for breaking the law by calling the police, if you're so sure.

The last time I called the cops (for trespassing) they showed up in about 30 seconds. The situation rapidly defused. I called them because the trespassers showed an inclination to violence, some were intoxicated, and it just all around was a bad situation.

I think it's best to let the cops do their jobs, and if the Chicago police need improvement, leave that up to the citizens of Chicago, Illinois, and the federal government and the courts to clean up that mess.

If people don't like flying on Trans States (I sure don't) then avoid booking their code shares.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by DENviaLAX
Reading the article I'm a bit confused. It says they needed four people to give up their seats because the flight was overbooked. But it also says they needed the seats for a crew going to SDF to work a flight in the morning....then also called them standby. If they were going to work a flight, they wouldn't be standby, they'd be deadheading. The only thing that would make sense would be that something happened last minute with whatever crew was supposed to work whatever SDF flight Monday morning, and needed to get a replacement crew there on this flight. But that would also mean that the flight wasn't actually technically overbooked with revenue passengers, just that the best way to inconvenience the least amount of people was to bump four people off this flight and get the crew on vs have to cancel or severely delay flight out of SDF tomorrow. That's always a crappy situation, but ultimately makes sense to me.

I suppose it's extremely rare that an airline is unable to find volunteers out of 50+ people, especially given the high money offers. I personally didn't even know what the procedure was for involuntarily denying boarding, but I can definitely see how it can cause a lot of tension. Then again, the flight could've been just as easily canceled for any number of reasons, and the net result would've been the same (worse, technically) for that individual passenger, so I don't quite understand the extreme reaction on his part.

All that said, that video looks horrible. The security officer seemed to go way overboard on the amount of force acceptable in removing the man, who didn't even seem to be aggressive. And to me that is by far the worst part of the entire situation. Which really had nothing to do with United, as he's unaffiliated with them...but yet it'll just be another negative story attached to United's name.
Last flight of the night I believe. 800 isn't really a 'high offer'. Right now I bet United is wishing the GAs decided to go up to 1000+ because somewhere around 1500 I can guarantee you some people would be getting off. If it was the last flight out the number I'd start thinking about it is 1000 dollars. I want to go home and the airlines poor decisions don't warrant my need to accept their offers.

The interesting thing is going to be what is the SOP on this for United? Is 800 their limit and they start just yanking people off? Has anyone seen anything higher?

I've personally witnessed Delta offer 2200 dollars SEA-ATL. Unfortunately it was a business trip and not an option for me. I can tell you I'd definitely have taken it otherwise.

The passenger should have listened and gotten off. For sure. However the public opinion is going to be VERY low regardless of right/wrong. More so when the reason he was removed was because United wanted to move some employees somewhere else.

It's crazy that United could somehow move the black cloud from Delta after their gigantic meltdown so easily. Almost like clockwork.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Jumper Jack
{Those} who kept on citing IDB are covered by law seems to forget the dude ALREADY BOARDED
Those who keep claiming he already boarded don't seem to understand that 'denied boarding' means 'you didn't get to take the flight' and not, "you didn't for some unspecified period manage to take a seat on the plane, prior to the commencement of said flight ' - and as long as a plane is on the ground, it isn't in flight.

There are lots of issues to be discussed about this incident, and lots of good points made by people with various perspectives on it, but we have to be clear on the terminology.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by nikolastojsin

Finally, what Rosa Parks did was illegal, too.
I can't take your post seriously if you think someone refusing to get off an airliner during IDB is the same as the civil rights movement.

Nothing this guy did was "illegal". He agreed to the CoC.

This will be multiple waves of PR issues: Now, when this guys sues and when UA wins.

Cue the protest signs: "we all have feelings and even when we're wrong we are right".
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by rufflesinc
LOL. Can't believe she had the balls to say that out loud.
I highly doubt some "first hand" account on Reddit is actually telling the exact truth about what happened.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:25 pm
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On a mobile device so I can't upload the pics but a link to the letter sent out by Munoz to staff tonight.

https://twitter.com/RyanRuggiero/sta...425154/photo/1
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:25 pm
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Originally Posted by boycruz
6. United can now forget about Chinese market, forever. Imagine if this was an Air China flight and the bloodied passenger was an American. Would any American subsequently fly Air China?


I was commenting to others today this exact same thing
I think they're in danger of losing the entire rational, compassionate and civilized American markets. This must be going over like a lead balloon in their key New York, Chicago, Washington and San Francisco markets.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis88
CNN mentioned a little bit ago that UA sent out an email to it's employees about the incident? Anybody see that yet?
It's summarized here:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/unite...lligerent.html

Munoz blames the victim, more or less.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:26 pm
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UA was wrong here clearly. The price could have gone up over $800. Try telling me out of 70 seats (let's assume 50 are PAX which is lenient) no one would accept $1600 or $3200?

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Anyone know if the Flight crew/deck stepped in to help in anyway? I find it hard to believe the flight crew didn't speak up in this case........

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 6:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis88
CNN mentioned a little bit ago that UA sent out an email to it's employees about the incident? Anybody see that yet?
Sure seems UA isnt doing much about this except sending out a email?

Correct me if i wrong please

Oscar should already be in SDF taking control
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