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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by sincx
And United Airlines and its former CEO have committed multiple felonies in recent history, such as bribery of a government official. Your point is?
The point is the guy is a bad apple. Funny how when regular people get IDBed you don't end up with headlines and a major story but when this chap gets IDBed, you got a guy telling cops to kill him on board the plane.

I wonder if they did a toxicology check on this guy because with a personal past as checkered as that, I would say there's definitely a chance the dude was high.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by bioyuki
Update: talked to our travel folks, since we book refundable J, they've seen a fair amount of rebooking in the last 24 hours onto NH, BR and shockingly CA for TPAC, and more of a push towards LH for TATL.
CA is terrible. Stick with NH and BR.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by bioyuki
Update: talked to our travel folks, since we book refundable J, they've seen a fair amount of rebooking in the last 24 hours onto NH, BR and shockingly CA for TPAC, and more of a push towards LH for TATL.
My wife arranged travel for three from china to sfo for a meeting. Just got an e-mail asking them to be rebooked off Ua. Three j fares down the tube for Ua....
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Silver Fox
I love how all the other passengers bravely protesting while bravely videoing remained bravely sat down doing absolutely nothing to actively help the guy being picked on.
Rushing cops with guns in an airplane is a bit beyond what I would expect even the most courageous civilian defender to do.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
The point is the guy is a bad apple. Funny how when regular people get IDBed you don't end up with headlines and a major story but when this chap gets IDBed, you got a guy telling cops to kill him on board the plane.

I wonder if they did a toxicology check on this guy because with a personal past as checkered as that, I would say there's definitely a chance the dude was high.
And United is a bad airline. I wonder if they did a through check on UA's policies and procedures because with a corporate history as checkered as that, I would say there's an incredibly high chance company was acting illegally.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:54 pm
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Originally Posted by sincx
And United is a bad airline. I wonder if they did a through check on UA's policies and procedures because with a corporate history as checkered as that, I would say there's an incredibly high chance company was acting illegally.
And your business will go where?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:54 pm
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Originally Posted by mre5765


Obviously the original PR team has been cast out of the inner circle.
Probably. Or maybe someone Googled United and PR and found this.

http://www.prweek.com/article/143034...-experts-weigh

Thank you sir!

Katie Sprehe, director of reputation research, APCO Insight
My advice to United would be to take responsibility immediately and admit fault. It should explain how this happened and what it is doing in the future to prevent it from occurring again.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by bioyuki
1. If you read the actual text of the document, it completely disproves your posted point about 14 CFR/49 USC rules. The claim here is that he struck LEO, not a member of the crew.
2. In our sad day and age of false claims against LEO and false statements by LEO, let's see what happens if those goes to court and the statements made by other witnesses as to whether this alleged assault on LEO actually happened or not, or if LEO is lying to try and save their ...
As usual, I'm not a lawyer, but...

Under the circumstances I see here if I were on a jury on this one (I won't be, I don't live in anywhere near a relevant jurisdiction) I'd acquit the pax on assault. On a grand jury I might even vote against indicting as a slap at the whole situation. First and foremost, it doesn't quite line up with what has been said. Second, I tend to be somewhat more accepting if someone is reacting (even if he "attacked" the LEO, I'd be skeptical of what the nature of that attack was)...someone who is grabbed and who instinctively reacts in some way gets at least a partial pass. Third and finally, this is the Chicago PD and while I am broadly supportive of cops Chicago (as a city) has also sort-of used up their "benefit of the doubt" card.

@Peterpack:
My best guess is that they de-boarded him but agreed to let him return to retrieve any carry-on luggage.

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With respect to Munoz' reply, I'd sure like to see a reporter confront him on this: "You say you 'continue to be disturbed' at what happened, but your first two statements indicate no evidence that you were disturbed then. At what point did you first become disturbed? Was it the global backlash or the half-billion dollar hit your company's market cap took before you expressed that you were disturbed?" (I also wonder...if he's disturbed, maybe he should see a doctor about that? I'm sure there's one in either Chicago or Louisville who would love to see him right about now...).
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Based on what you say, people get their stories mixed up and perhaps understandably so. What is often ignored in these stories is that people are *unreliable* witnesses more often than not. People remember things poorly, misunderstand things, mishear things.

UA offered vouchers to volunteers. That's company policy and I totally believe that. I also believe it got capped at an amount. That's what passengers heard as an 'offer'.

But then once *volunteers* are no longer part of the equation and it becomes IDB, there's no offers or vouchers anymore, there's just "Sorry but you gotta leave. Now." There is legally required Department of Transport compensation due in cash.

I've yet to see anyone dispute that UA intended to pay that legally required compensation.
Well the different passengers (ie, more than one) who were on the news shows yesterday were consistent in their statements that vouchers were being offered, not cash.

I have yet to see anything that says UA intended to switch to cash/comply w/ DOT, & my money is on the GA gave the 3 passengers the vouchers & not the required IDB DOT document outlining their rights, check or cash. I would even hazard a guess that the 3 passengers still aren't familiar enough w/ IDB to know what they're entitled to.

However, now that everyone & their brother (including DOT) is now looking at UA, it wouldn't surprise me if UA decided to now comply w/ the required IDB compensation.

Cheers.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
The point is the guy is a bad apple. Funny how when regular people get IDBed you don't end up with headlines and a major story but when this chap gets IDBed, you got a guy telling cops to kill him on board the plane.

I wonder if they did a toxicology check on this guy because with a personal past as checkered as that, I would say there's definitely a chance the dude was high.
LOLOLOL. Now you're just looking for people to argue with, aren't you? too funny. hahahah
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
The point is the guy is a bad apple. Funny how when regular people get IDBed you don't end up with headlines and a major story but when this chap gets IDBed, you got a guy telling cops to kill him on board the plane.

I wonder if they did a toxicology check on this guy because with a personal past as checkered as that, I would say there's definitely a chance the dude was high.
I think you either didn't listen to the audio or are not hearing it correctly.

He was saying that they (police) were going to kill him. He was scared, he wasn't looking for someone to kill him.

But thanks for blaming the rape victim for being a slut.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by zombietooth
And your business will go where?
JetBlue/Southwest/Alaska for domestic, NH/BR/SQ for international. With CA being a backup choice.

At least until Munoz, who I previously respected greatly, resigns and UA employees retrained to not commit assault and battery on the customers that pay their salaries.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by dweick
I think you either didn't listen to the audio or are not hearing it correctly.

He was saying that they (police) were going to kill him. He was scared, he wasn't looking for someone to kill him.

But thanks for blaming the rape victim for being a slut.
I was hearing, "Just kill me."
Has it been deciphered as something else?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
I think this argument over the definition of boarding is a red herring. You don't have some inalienable rights that are endowed to you once you scan your boarding pass, or once you pass the threshold of the aircraft, or once you take your seat. And pretty sure the CoC doesn't endow them either. So now perhaps they'll re-write it to explicitly exclude those rights, and we all lose.
What would we lose? If the definition that has been espoused by Minnyfly were in use, there would be nothing to lose. One can't lose what one does not have in the first place. Or are you acknowledging that the man already possessed rights that will now be excluded because in his case they were violated? You can't have it both ways.

No, you don't have inalienable rights. But neither does the airline. Both are covered by the CofC. The CofC does not identify the mechanism for removing a passenger who is "denied boarding" after taking a seat. I suspect the reason it doesn't is because the drafter didn't think a person in their assigned seat could any longer be denied boarding, but whatever. So, what mechanism should be used in this case? Persuasion? A cash offer up to the IDB amount (this was not offered, according to witnesses)? Accommodation on other airlines? Hiring a private car to take the pax to Louisville? All of those sound reasonable.

The use of police powers and force does not sound reasonable. The pax presented no risk of safety, and they did not invoke the safety-based clauses in removing him. They did not arrest him, and therefore he had nothing to resist. In the absence of a defined sequence of remedies for the airline, civil courts will rule on what is reasonable, based on the preponderance of the evidence. His erratic behavior followed a confrontation that resulted in his injury. Was he merely acting? Who knows? But if he was, his timing was pretty good. If he is being opportunistic, it's because United gave him the opportunity.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:59 pm
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