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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
CoC is here: https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con...-carriage.aspx
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
But we're still only halfway to the actual drama here. The capped compensation resulted perhaps in no volunteers and the selection of the unlucky IDB pax. It did not result in what eventually happened.

75% of the selected pax accepted the verdict and left the plane *and* will receive cash compensation as mandated by the Department of Transport.

25% of the selected pax staged a sit-in on private property and ended up paying the price. That's what the drama actually ended up being.

We can talk about vouchers all day long, but that's not why the dude got dragged off the plane. He would have gotten cash if he had left the plane on his own terms. He got dragged off the plane because he didn't comply.
He's still going to get cash. Probably a lot more than United was willing to give up yesterday.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:44 pm
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Originally Posted by mre5765
Federal courts are owned by the corporations. The post-9/11 law is on the airlines' and airport cops' sides.
Punitive damages are generally allowed up to 9x compensatory damages in federal courts. Compensatory damages can easily reach $1m here due to the concussion and subsequent trauma, pain, and suffering. Total damages in the $10m range is not impossible.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:44 pm
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Originally Posted by bergamini
This guy's background doesn't matter as it is not relevant to the incident. Just as the GA/FA's background don't matter unless they are violent. Same for the LEO/Security. Stick to the present.
Sadly, that is all that seems to matter in the blame the victim world we have become. I just feel awful for what happened to all involved. So many chances for so many to change the outcome all around.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Beckles
The legal rights of a residential tenant are in no way analogous to any other business/customer relationship.
You're missing point. Not saying they are identical legal rights. My only point is that they are essentially civil relationships. Just like I can't have the police beat up my tenant just by showing them I own the property (I have to go to court), the police should likewise not be allowed to physically remove the passenger just because it's their plane. If he was violent? Yes. Or drunk? Yes. But all evidence suggest he was a normal guy who though the had a right to be there and arguably does. So, very analogous to a tenant who believes he has a lease and refuses to vacate (vs. a burglar who breaks and enters).
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock
How do you know they'll receive cash compensation? When they departed the plane they were told they were getting $800 in travel vouchers.

Passengers on the plane who were on the news shows yesterday said that UA wasn't offering cash, but "United $$". They also questioned why UA didn't offer more if they really wanted folk to accept the offer. One person said they'd do it for $1,600 in vouchers & was scoffed at.

Cheers.
Based on what you say, people get their stories mixed up and perhaps understandably so. What is often ignored in these stories is that people are *unreliable* witnesses more often than not. People remember things poorly, misunderstand things, mishear things.

UA offered vouchers to volunteers. That's company policy and I totally believe that. I also believe it got capped at an amount. That's what passengers heard as an 'offer'.

But then once *volunteers* are no longer part of the equation and it becomes IDB, there's no offers or vouchers anymore, there's just "Sorry but you gotta leave. Now." There is legally required Department of Transport compensation due in cash.

I've yet to see anyone dispute that UA intended to pay that legally required compensation.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by LondonElite
Has this been reported yet?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-gay-sex.html

Seems the person in question had anger management issues and traded drugs for gay sex, with his license revoked at least once. Maybe there is another side to this story?
Yes, been covered everywhere.

What other side are you referring to? That is seems he is probably not a very good person in his past and also a felon?

There's quite a lot of video evidence to draw some lite conclusions from.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by bioyuki
Fascinating. I'll be down at my company's HQ tomorrow, will need to find our travel manager and see what the sentiment is. We're pretty UA heavy, and we have a fair amount of Asian workers...
Update: talked to our travel folks, since we book refundable J, they've seen a fair amount of rebooking in the last 24 hours onto NH, BR and shockingly CA for TPAC, and more of a push towards LH for TATL.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by LondonElite
Has this been reported yet?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-gay-sex.html

Seems the person in question had anger management issues and traded drugs for gay sex, with his license revoked at least once. Maybe there is another side to this story?
And United Airlines and its former CEO have committed multiple felonies in recent history, such as bribery of a government official. Your point is?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Peterpack
Because it's so easy to take on three burley cops who have already demonstrated a love for violence !

They did the right thing (and as if happened the most effective thing),they recorded it and posted it for the world to see
Bless.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by LondonElite
Has this been reported yet?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-gay-sex.html

Seems the person in question had anger management issues and traded drugs for gay sex. Maybe there is another side to this story?
There is no other side to the story. The old man didn't assault or verbally abuse anyone. The worst thing he did was accusing the cabin crew of picking him based on his ethnicity. Anyhow Daily Mail is a disgusting rag that I wouldn't use to wipe my .... Of course they would go with an ad hominem.

This whole thing reminds me of:

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by LondonElite
Seems the person in question had anger management issues and traded drugs for gay sex, with his license revoked at least once. Maybe there is another side to this story?
Not gay sex!!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
I am not taking a position as to what the Republic pilots would have said,You're right... it was not precisely an oversale situation. Absent the last-minute Republic crew which appeared to ride on their metal to make up a Republic flight the next day, the flight would have gone out with every seat occupied and we would never have heard a thing. Perhaps 'overbooked' is a more accurate term to describe when confirmed must-ride employees bump revenue passengers.
Right, but the thing in CoC quite precisely defines Oversale and quite precisely states that it is an Oversale situation that triggers the right of the airline to engage in IDB. Absent an oversale the airline was breaking its CoC to not transport the passenger "must-ride" status of the deadhead crew or not.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:48 pm
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Has anyone read all 3380 postings?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by sincx
And United Airlines and its former CEO have committed multiple felonies in recent history, such as bribery of a government official. Your point is?
I've been meaning to bring that up.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:49 pm
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Originally Posted by ROCAT
I once asked a Japanese cop if he was ever worried out about being attacked, he basically just laughed.

I asked the same to a city cop where I live and he also laughed, but not in a funny way. He basically said that nearly every time he gets called for a domestic one of the people involved pulls a weapon or goes after him.
Japan is truly wonderful. A country of hard working, docile people.
However, don't make the mistake of thinking their police are unarmed. I have seen them totally destroy someone with a Kendo stick, and almost all are trained in a martial art.
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