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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca

You guys are choosing your heroes poorly. He's still just a nice old guy to you even as it becomes painfully obvious the guy is a crook.
lol...wow.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:17 pm
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It will be interesting to see who they can actually go after for a lawsuit. The flight was operated by Brickyard, who is in bankruptcy so good luck getting a dime out of them. It was likely RPA's decision to do the bumping, on how much to offer that might be UAL or RPA. The police are employees of the city of Chicago and are the most likely the ones that will have to deal with a lawsuit. United sold the flight, made some really stupid statements and maybe the gate was worked by one of their people. It is very likely that United could be held least accountable for the whole thing in court, PR is a diffrent matter.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:18 pm
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The passenger is definitely going to take legal action against UA and this will be really interesting to watch.

I want to see what he and his wife recorded of what happened before the physicality
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I guess it was head injuries that caused his criminal activities and erratic personal conduct, too?
What criminal activities?

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:18 pm
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Originally Posted by LondonElite
I'm just amazed how many first hand witnesses to this incident are FT posters as well!
I am amazed by your concern for the truth when you posted an article from the Mail.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I guess it was head injuries that caused his criminal activities and erratic personal conduct, too?

You guys are choosing your heroes poorly. He's still just a nice old guy to you even as it becomes painfully obvious the guy is a crook.
I saw the videos. It's pretty simple. And I think when cops are brought into a customer service issue the company has almost certainly failed. Bottom line is when like a billion people see a bloody passenger dragged off a plane to the screams of his fellow passengers UA has totally lost the narrative, and I think rightly so. Someone at UA explicitly or implicitly thought, "let's not offer another $800 to fix our mistake, let's call the cops to fix it for us".
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by ROCAT
It is very likely that United could be held least accountable for the whole thing in court, PR is a diffrent matter.
UA would be out of its corporate mind to try to scapegoat Brickyard or Republic. UA would look even slimier. Everyone knows the United brand is on trial here.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by newaliases
As anyone who has rented before, you can't just call the police to beat your squatter into submission just because they are squatting.

If he was given a ticket, a seat and allowed to board and seat? Sorry, that's analogous to the "tenant" who understood she or he had a lease.
Originally Posted by Beckles
The legal rights of a residential tenant are in no way analogous to any other business/customer relationship.
Originally Posted by newaliases
You're missing point. Not saying they are identical legal rights.
So they are not analogous as you claim.

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My only point is that they are essentially civil relationships.
So is marriage, a civil relationship, the same as holding a seat on an airplane then?

Originally Posted by newaliases
Just like I can't have the police beat up my tenant just by showing them I own the property (I have to go to court), the police should likewise not be allowed to physically remove the passenger just because it's their plane.
So a business has no right to have people removed from their property by the police? A business would need to resort to civil proceedings to have someone removed from their property?

Originally Posted by newaliases
If he was violent? Yes. Or drunk? Yes. But all evidence suggest he was a normal guy who though the had a right to be there and arguably does. So, very analogous to a tenant who believes he has a lease and refuses to vacate (vs. a burglar who breaks and enters).
One more time, the rights of a residential tenant are in no way analogous to any other business/customer relationship. There are laws that give residential tenants rights that are in no way transferrable to any other business/customer relationship (e.g., airline and passenger).
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:22 pm
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Originally Posted by BearX220
UA would be out of its corporate mind to try to scapegoat Brickyard or Republic. UA would look even slimier. Everyone knows the United brand is on trial here.
I can't imagine the damage it would do to all of its current and future contractors.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I guess it was head injuries that caused his criminal activities and erratic personal conduct, too?

You guys are choosing your heroes poorly. He's still just a nice old guy to you even as it becomes painfully obvious the guy is a crook.
Saw erratic behavior after the head injury. I didn't see illegal behavior on his part.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:25 pm
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Just hope United can finally change compensation voucher into hard cold cash for the good! Let's see what will change after April 30 investigation. You can hardly use it when your destination is in Southeast Asia or most second tier Chinese cities, you have to book two separate trips in order to use voucher and you will lose benefits like luggage allowance and more important IRROR treatment especially when CA is involved .

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Davidl81
If that would have been the first message that United sent out the PR response would have been 1000% times better. It would not have made the issue go away, but it would have defused it much faster in the court of public opinion.
^

Latest Oscar message comes across as bunk, prompted by the media shellacking and stock activity.

Really disappointed in the response from United Corporate on this whole episode. Failure from multiple perspectives and really kills what was a rising narrative.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Rommie2k6
This in an example of how airlines and their police thugs have taken away our rights at the airport. For those who side with United and/or the police, a big middle finger, but then considering half of this country voted for Trump, why should I be surprised?

This is what's wrong with air travel. Damn airlines and their police thugs on power trip. Their presence makes flying unsafe, not the terrorist.

I feel much safer sitting beside a "terrorist" (sarcasm intended for the tone deaf) middle eastern ethnicity passenger than one of these "legalized" LEO thugs in any situation.

It was a ....ing customer service issue, the police should have stayed the .... out. It was definitely NOT a security issue. Harsh language (if it was there before the video started) and refusing to IDB is not a security issue. And there were DOZENS of people on that plane, could they not have picked someone else?
I am not far from sharing your views here.

The guy was apparently opposing mild resistance to something that was in great part United's own fault. Just up the reward, someone will take you up on your offer. At the very minimum, when someone made it inside the plane, then that's it, you missed your chance for IDB.

And frankly, this is common sense whatever the contract actually says. Right now, airlines are allowed to get away with murder by stashing people way, way too close to one another and calling security to terrorize their passengers into submission.

As for the cops involved... really? This is how you solve problems? Did they try anything else before? How about evacuating people around these rows so you don't lose your grip at least?

That has to stop, even if it means prices go up. This is not unique either: we don't allow car manufacturers to run around without seat belts, drivers to go without insurance, or houses to be made the way anyone sees fit for excellent reasons. Unfortunately, don't count on Congress to do something for the people on that one. So it leaves outrage to get things straight.

Right now, some international media picked up on this. United, as one of the flag bearers of the US, and the Chicago police is shaming this nation. As The Donald would say: SAD!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Klimo
I can't imagine the damage it would do to all of its current and future contractors.
I don't think United will try to, but if the whole thing goes to court and it is left up to a judge to assign fault PR will not factor into the decision.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:28 pm
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edited, source edited link as soon as I linked it afterwards.
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