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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:43 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
Can we just take a step back and reflect on how badly UA handled this from a PR standpoint?

Keep in mind that the average American does not have the CoC nor the DoT rules memorized. Munoz doubled down and did not relent until the stock price took a beating. Had he hired a crisis management firm at Monday noon, perhaps the media's narrative last night would be different.

The average Joe out there now knows that UA will resort to violence in response to their disorganization (failure to arrange transport for deadheading crew).

Narrative across the pacific is worse. The average Wong out there now knows that UA will resort to violence in response to their disorganization, and not only that, pick an Asian to kick out.

It doesn't matter what the technicalities are, whether race was involved, whether UA followed the rulebook.
I think we've all done a pretty thorugh job of reflecting on how badly United has blown the PR war here;-)
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by onesadmoocow
Not to beat a dead horse, as I know the term "boarded/boarding" has been discussed to no end, but...

From an article on Business Insider:
"United does not define "boarding" in its contract, but an airline representative told Business Insider that boarding refers to any period before the plane physically takes off. So you can be told to leave the plane at any point before liftoff — even after you've boarded."

So, at least we know where United (now) stands on the term 'boarding'.


Link to the article: http://www.businessinsider.com/unite...-rights-2017-4
That would certainly be the "boarding period" but not when an individual passenger boards the aircraft.

Similar to when you enter a building at 10:20am even though the period of time for entry to the building is 8am - 6pm. You have entered the building regardless of the fact that the entering period is 8am - 6pm. They can no longer deny you entry once you have entered, but they can remove you from the building. That would be the equivalent of deplaning you and if you are deplaned you have been deplaned even if the deplaning period is from when the doors are open till they are closed. If they were to argue that you haven't really been deplaned because the deplaning period isn't over I'm pretty sure that would be as laughable as people claiming you haven't boarded the aircraft because, despite having boarded the aircraft, the door is still open.

But maybe someone caught after breaking into a United employee's home could claim that they didn't really enter the house because the house door was still open and the entry period is from the time the door is opened until the time it is closed.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Peterpack
The background of the man is irrelevant. I'm not mad because of how this particular man was treated, i'm mad that any passenger could be treated this way.

It could have been you or me, your children, your parents, your friends
No, it could never have happened to me. Nor any of my family.

I might have been improperly kicked off a plane. But there is no way in the world I would have been drug off.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:45 pm
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Originally Posted by onesadmoocow
Not to beat a dead horse, as I know the term "boarded/boarding" has been discussed to no end, but...

From an article on Business Insider:
"United does not define "boarding" in its contract, but an airline representative told Business Insider that boarding refers to any period before the plane physically takes off. So you can be told to leave the plane at any point before liftoff — even after you've boarded."

So, at least we know where United (now) stands on the term 'boarding'.


Link to the article: http://www.businessinsider.com/unite...-rights-2017-4

not to stuff your comment or the content therein.... but BusinessInsider is a pretty sad excuse for an ePublication
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by exwannabe
Correct, the cops would not know.

UA made the call to kick him off the plane. He refused. Decide what you want about UA here. I think most all would say "they" made a bad call.

But when the police showed up to "escort" him off though, then one needs to guess exactly what happened.

Did the police just decide they wanted to smash his face while escorting him off?

Or did he struggle while drugged up (as he clearly was) and bash his head?

So background certainly does matter guessing what exactly happened.

To me the background, combined with the video, is clear.
He was clearly drugged up when the cops dragged him out of his seat?

Wow
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by onesadmoocow
Not to beat a dead horse, as I know the term "boarded/boarding" has been discussed to no end, but...

From an article on Business Insider:
"United does not define "boarding" in its contract, but an airline representative told Business Insider that boarding refers to any period before the plane physically takes off. So you can be told to leave the plane at any point before liftoff — even after you've boarded."

So, at least we know where United (now) stands on the term 'boarding'.


Link to the article: http://www.businessinsider.com/unite...-rights-2017-4
United does not define 'boarding' in its contract, but uses it in communication with the customers in actually entering the aircraft.

I fail to see how any reasonable person could reasonably be able to understand or know about UA's definition of boarding.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:46 pm
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Read an article that said WestJet is a carrier that will never oversell seats on an airline. They will bump people, but only when switching from a larger to smaller plane.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:50 pm
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Originally Posted by TominLazybrook
United does not define 'boarding' in its contract, but uses it in communication with the customers in actually entering the aircraft.

I fail to see how any reasonable person could reasonably be able to understand or know about UA's definition of boarding.
Exactly.

When pax boarded, did FA say "welcome aboard"?

Did the screen at the gate say "now boarding"?

Try convincing a jury that boarding only ends when the plane is taxiing. UA would be laughed out of court.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:50 pm
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This was EK jumping on the bandwagon from The Middle East!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:51 pm
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Originally Posted by bordeauxboy
Those first 2 may have initially refused, but they had no issues after watching Dr Dao get bloodied and dragged down the aisle. Then his wife chose to accompany him, taking care of the 4 needed.

Oscar was right, that was great work by the staff on the scene. Well done UA!
We're offering $800 in United vouchers or a beating, your choice.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
Exactly.

When pax boarded, did FA say "welcome aboard"?

Did the screen at the gate say "now boarding"?

Try convincing a jury that boarding only ends when the plane is taxiing. UA would be laughed out of court.
And what did the CEO himself say in his email about the flight ... hint, it was boarded!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by dweick
We're offering $800 in United vouchers or a beating, your choice.
"Welcome to United, where passengers fly First or Hurt"
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 4:59 pm
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Originally Posted by The smallest state
Read an article that said WestJet is a carrier that will never oversell seats on an airline. They will bump people, but only when switching from a larger to smaller plane.
Jet Blue the same.

I will have to look up the actual IDB stats when I get home to see how this actually works out.

But how about this.Legacy Airlines selling "bump" insurance for $5 or so? Puts you at the top of the list for avoiding IDB, and some huge penalty if they fail.

Everybody is a winner. I save when suckers pay $5 for something that virtually never happens. The nervous nellie pays no more than they would if the gov had to legislate the issue. And the guys who look for bumps get better odds.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:01 pm
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for me, i would be happy if Munez lost his job and the three security officers too (they can go be mall cops). There are still many good people at UA who condemn this whole incident as much as the rest of us and they don't need to lose their job
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by deniah
"Welcome to United, where passengers fly First or Hurt"
"Welcome to United, for legal reasons and for the purpose of the CoC boarding is completed once the aircraft arrives at the destination."

"Welcome to United. We have First and First aid class"
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