United ends Tokyo – Seoul route in Oct 2017
Apr 6, 2017, 5:38 am
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This is all about greater/better aircraft utilization which UA feels it can accomplish back on the mainland. I am concerned that with 3 737s moving back to the mainland what that will mean for other routes in and out of GUM. UA has faced stiffer competition from foreign carriers on Guam so I'm afraid that this may continue in the wrong trend for Guam. That said, if Delta decides to pull out of Guam as they downsize in NRT and Asia, in general, I wonder how UA would respond.
Apr 6, 2017, 6:34 am
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Cathay could easily be a part of *A with ANA and Singapore there. Asian/Pacific travel is booming right now.
Apr 6, 2017, 7:09 am
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Hmm. I just found this out
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...om-march-2017/
https://www.businesstraveller.com/ai...nited-expands/
While minor, with only ICN-ORD as a main one and still no full JV, this is very recent and may have played a role in cutting UA NRT-ICN? i.e., UA deciding it's better to dump all NRT-ICN on OZ (if NH doesn't start one), offset by UA earning domestic seat revenue from OZ fliers?
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...om-march-2017/
https://www.businesstraveller.com/ai...nited-expands/
United will be placing its UA code on Asiana’s OZ236 and OZ235 flights between Seoul and Chicago, while Asiana’s OZ code will be added to 16 of United’s routes from Chicago to domestic destinations, notably Pittsburgh and Boston.
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Once the codeshare comes into effect later this month, Asiana and United will be codesharing on all flights operated by Asiana to continental US, which includes services to Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle.
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Once the codeshare comes into effect later this month, Asiana and United will be codesharing on all flights operated by Asiana to continental US, which includes services to Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle.
Apr 6, 2017, 8:08 am
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Right, 10:50 which means for a legal connection you have to arrive by at least 9:55 (55 min connection minimum to INTL right?) which is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to connect from the east coast for.
Maybe United will change it to a 12pm departure similar to their NRT route.
Maybe United will change it to a 12pm departure similar to their NRT route.
SFO-NRT/HND are the same with a 1.5h turnaround time.
Not ideal for connections, but UA is also probably too cheap to pay for overnight parking.
Apr 6, 2017, 8:21 am
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They used to fly from NRT to a lot of major Asian cities. They're down to just this flight, and once it goes away, it's doubtful if UA will fly beyond NRT in the future. UA hasn't replaced most of the discontinued flights out of NRT with non-stop transpacs, thus, the retreat. You can't get to BKK or MNL or several other destinations on UA metal at all.
You're right, UA won't fly any more NRT tags. They are a poor use of resources and a vestige of an era where there was neither the traffic nor appropriate equipment to fly nonstop routes from the USA deeper into Asia. Times have changed.
HKG/PVG/PEK face slot availability issues, and their additional flying time vs. NE Asia make scheduling of shorter turns less favorable.
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Apr 6, 2017, 8:44 am
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Apr 6, 2017, 8:56 am
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I do not know about SQ, but CX's loss is mainly due to its investment in oil hedging, which obviously is losing money with today's low oil prices. CX's performance as an airline is still very healthy.
Apr 6, 2017, 9:14 am
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Apr 6, 2017, 3:51 pm
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The pullback from NRT has led a lot of East Coast UA passengers to fly outside Star Alliance. This is due to poor connections to ANA or other *A partners, people who just don't like flying ANA due to the cramped seating in coach, etc.
Apr 6, 2017, 4:06 pm
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I didn't ignore the new TPACs at all. As I clearly wrote, UA has not replaced all of their former flights out of NRT with TPACs, especially from the East Coast. As many have pointed out in this thread, connecting in SFO instead of NRT for a flight to Singapore or or Inchon adds a lot of additional time to an itinerary.
The pullback from NRT has led a lot of East Coast UA passengers to fly outside Star Alliance. This is due to poor connections to ANA or other *A partners, people who just don't like flying ANA due to the cramped seating in coach, etc.
The pullback from NRT has led a lot of East Coast UA passengers to fly outside Star Alliance. This is due to poor connections to ANA or other *A partners, people who just don't like flying ANA due to the cramped seating in coach, etc.
Yes, United metal service beyond NRT has been pulled back over the years, but it's been more than replaced both in capacity (easy to do with nonstop overflights of NRT) and frequency.
Apr 6, 2017, 5:42 pm
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not a huge loss since they stopped the 772 service NRT-ICN ... that was always an easy upgrade 
The 738 is a crappy plane and I'd be happy to take NH when I need to fly via NRT. Unless UA offers a competitive product in this market they will not compete.
The 738 is a crappy plane and I'd be happy to take NH when I need to fly via NRT. Unless UA offers a competitive product in this market they will not compete.
Apr 6, 2017, 6:18 pm
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Apr 6, 2017, 6:58 pm
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I guess my issue is with characterizing United's overall Pacific network strategy as a "retreat" (back to the original post I replied to), when that's clearly not the case. Routings to BKK or TPE may not be as convenient for a subset of customers (those who want UAL metal all the way), but I don't think that makes it a "retreat".
Yes, United metal service beyond NRT has been pulled back over the years, but it's been more than replaced both in capacity (easy to do with nonstop overflights of NRT) and frequency.
Yes, United metal service beyond NRT has been pulled back over the years, but it's been more than replaced both in capacity (easy to do with nonstop overflights of NRT) and frequency.
I would characterize this as a retreat from the ICN market and still wonder if it is a response to the DL/KE JV.
Apr 6, 2017, 7:05 pm
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