Reusing/Recovering value of partial used ticket (eg. cancelled return) [Consolidated]
Oct 8, 2016, 4:14 am
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Missed me EWR-LAX flight due to an incompetent Uber driver last night. My ticket was only $174, so that was money/PQD down the drain as it was less than the $200 change fee. I think I'm more upset that I had booked with extremely rare IN AND R availability for myself and my wife - totally went to waste.
If you miss within 2 hours (flat tire rule), the will put you on standby (again for free) on the next flight, and keep rolling you over until you clear.
Oct 8, 2016, 5:59 am
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SDC is free for Plat. You could have moved to any flight within 24 hours for free so long as you SDCed before your original flight.
If you miss within 2 hours (flat tire rule), the will put you on standby (again for free) on the next flight, and keep rolling you over until you clear.
If you miss within 2 hours (flat tire rule), the will put you on standby (again for free) on the next flight, and keep rolling you over until you clear.
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Oct 8, 2016, 7:31 am
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Any TPAC return or (from that example) PEK-ORD-DFW or PEK-AAA-DFW?
Oct 8, 2016, 10:43 am
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Oct 8, 2016, 2:48 pm
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Generally speaking, as long as the new return fare component(s) form a valid round/circle trip with the outbound fare component, you don't need to re-fare the outbound. So as long as the open segments between PEK and the new origin, and between the original origin and new destination, are less than the flown segment it should price.
Oct 9, 2016, 9:22 am
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Generally speaking, as long as the new return fare component(s) form a valid round/circle trip with the outbound fare component, you don't need to re-fare the outbound. So as long as the open segments between PEK and the new origin, and between the original origin and new destination, are less than the flown segment it should price.
This has got to be boring for the experts but ...
"form a valid round/circle trip"
Is a valid round trip one which ends where the original one ended or is there some exceptions?
"less than the flown segment"
Does this mean less dollars or less miles? If it is miles than a PEK-EWR-DFW trip would cause a re-fare? If dollars what fare would the comparison be made to.
Thanks.
Oct 10, 2016, 9:07 am
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Note carefully, however, that these are the usual rules. Every fare will specifically list its rules which may differ (usually slightly); for example here is the text of a EWR/HKG fare:
Code:
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH ANY
FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF TO FORM ROUND
TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS.
END-ON-END PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL
FARE COMPONENTS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA POINT OF COMBINATION.
APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS WHICH CONSISTS OF NO
MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS AND THE OPEN
SEGMENT AT ORIGIN MUST BE IN ONE COUNTRY. THE OPEN
SEGMENT AT DESTINATION HAS NO RESTRICTIONS.
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE
-BETWEEN AREA 3 AND AREA 2
-WITHIN AREA 3 OR WITHIN AREA 1.
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY
RULE AND TARIFF.
NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT-
NYC-EWR
Sep 30, 2022, 2:48 pm
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I find myself with a roundtrip ticket SFO-ATL when I just need the outbound. What's the best way to cancel the return? Before outbound travel or after outbound travel? The third-party travel agency who booked it (on behalf of the company paying for my travel) doesn't want to mess with the ticket and suggests I try to cancel the return after taking the outbound. But they don't seem sure I'll succeed or that there will be a refund. The current one-way outbound fare is less than the total round trip ticket.
I would note the ticket receipt says "refundable". The fare basis codes are as follows:
SFO-ATL EAA0JFEM
ATL-SFO LAA4AWDM
So is the return still fully refundable even after I take the outbound leg? Or else, will I (or someone) get a flight credit?
(Originally, I just had the return, ATL-SFO. We added the outbound a few days ago when my plans for personal travel to Florida before Atlanta changed. But the agency didn't book it as a separate one-way, they took my existing ATL-SFO one-way return flight and added the outbound to make it round trip.)
I would note the ticket receipt says "refundable". The fare basis codes are as follows:
SFO-ATL EAA0JFEM
ATL-SFO LAA4AWDM
So is the return still fully refundable even after I take the outbound leg? Or else, will I (or someone) get a flight credit?
(Originally, I just had the return, ATL-SFO. We added the outbound a few days ago when my plans for personal travel to Florida before Atlanta changed. But the agency didn't book it as a separate one-way, they took my existing ATL-SFO one-way return flight and added the outbound to make it round trip.)
Sep 30, 2022, 3:12 pm
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Domestic fares are comparatively simple.
Both of your fares are one-way (A in second position) and refundable (M in 8th position), so the ticket is refundable and each direction can stand alone.
Cancel after the outbound is flown: it is guaranteed to reprice in-place and you will be refunded the value of the return.
Cancel before the outbound is flown: the outbound will reprice with current inventory. If the flight still has E space then this is an even reissue and you get the refund for the return.
Refunds are due the agency that paid for the ticket. Really, if you didn't pay for the ticket you really don't need to care about any of this, unless it's coming out of your pocket in the end.
Both of your fares are one-way (A in second position) and refundable (M in 8th position), so the ticket is refundable and each direction can stand alone.
Cancel after the outbound is flown: it is guaranteed to reprice in-place and you will be refunded the value of the return.
Cancel before the outbound is flown: the outbound will reprice with current inventory. If the flight still has E space then this is an even reissue and you get the refund for the return.
Refunds are due the agency that paid for the ticket. Really, if you didn't pay for the ticket you really don't need to care about any of this, unless it's coming out of your pocket in the end.
Sep 30, 2022, 3:41 pm
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Domestic fares are comparatively simple.
Both of your fares are one-way (A in second position) and refundable (M in 8th position), so the ticket is refundable and each direction can stand alone.
Cancel after the outbound is flown: it is guaranteed to reprice in-place and you will be refunded the value of the return.
Cancel before the outbound is flown: the outbound will reprice with current inventory. If the flight still has E space then this is an even reissue and you get the refund for the return.
Refunds are due the agency that paid for the ticket. Really, if you didn't pay for the ticket you really don't need to care about any of this, unless it's coming out of your pocket in the end.
Both of your fares are one-way (A in second position) and refundable (M in 8th position), so the ticket is refundable and each direction can stand alone.
Cancel after the outbound is flown: it is guaranteed to reprice in-place and you will be refunded the value of the return.
Cancel before the outbound is flown: the outbound will reprice with current inventory. If the flight still has E space then this is an even reissue and you get the refund for the return.
Refunds are due the agency that paid for the ticket. Really, if you didn't pay for the ticket you really don't need to care about any of this, unless it's coming out of your pocket in the end.
In any case, I'll cancel after flying the outbound. It matters a little to me because I want the sponsoring agency to pay for part of my personal travel cost. They'll do that only up to the portion that they would have paid to fly me round trip to/from Atlanta. That should be a couple hundred dollars.
Sep 30, 2022, 3:45 pm
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For reference, here is the Category 31 section that would apply to this situation:
Code:
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF UA INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED
FARE COMPONENTS AND
REPRICE USING CURRENTLY TKTD FARE
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON/FARE BREAKS
2. SAME FARE ON 1ST FARE COMPONENT IS USED
3. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
4. AC/UA SAME FARE CLASS IS USED
5. UA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
6. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
7. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
8. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL
FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
Sep 30, 2022, 3:48 pm
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Sep 30, 2022, 7:06 pm
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Just for completeness, would the advice have changed if this had been a non-refundable ticket, booked as a round trip rather than two one-ways? That's what I assumed I had, until I looked at the fare code and then got help from findark and sykes
Dec 10, 2022, 12:44 pm
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If cancel a 2 leg one-way ticket in the middle of the journey, will any value remain?
Just wondering for a future trip where I plan to use the one way ticket but possibly... break/throw away the 2nd portion (at the connecting city). It's a typical non-refundable fare, but quite an expensive one, so I was wondering.
Would any value remain in the ticket if I did this?
Thanks!
Would any value remain in the ticket if I did this?
Thanks!
Dec 10, 2022, 12:52 pm
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If you just ignore the return, you'll lose the value.
There is some discussion in this thread:
edit: see later posts
Last edited by fumje; Dec 10, 2022 at 8:41 pm