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Old Oct 8, 2015, 9:39 am
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Hi everyone,

Today we are announcing two additional routes out of San Francisco International Airport (SFO), in addition to our previously announced Xi’an, China service. Pending government approval, we plan to operate service between San Francisco-Tel Aviv (TLV) and San Francisco-Auckland (AKL) on our Dreamliner aircraft beginning in 2016.

Check out additional details, including launch dates, in our press release.

-UA Insider

http://newsroom.united.com/2015-10-0...Make-it-Better
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October 08, 2015

SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 8, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines, the U.S. airline with the most comprehensive route network and the most trans-Pacific service, will further expand its global reach with new nonstop service from San Francisco to:

Tel Aviv, Israel, with service three times each week beginning March 30, 2016;
Auckland, New Zealand, with service three times each week beginning July 1, 2016, expanding to daily service in October; and
Xi'an, China, previously announced, three-times-weekly service beginning May 8, 2016, for the summer season.

Each new service is subject to government approval.

The airline intends to operate the new flights with the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, the world's most advanced passenger airplane.

The Tel Aviv and Xi'an flights will be available for booking on united.com on October 10, 2015, with the Auckland flights available for booking on October 17, 2015.

San Francisco-Tel Aviv: Linking High-Tech Markets

As part of United's evaluation for serving San Francisco (SFO) to Tel Aviv (TLV) nonstop, the airline considered the opinions of thousands of customers who petitioned for the service through the SFOTLV.ORG petition effort.

"Providing corporate customers from throughout the Bay Area and Silicon Valley nonstop service to the high-tech market in Israel has been high on our priority list at United," said Dave Hilfman, United's senior vice president of worldwide sales. "Now with the 787-9 Dreamliner, we're delighted to make it a reality."

Flight | From To | Departure | Arrival

UA954 | SFO TLV | 8 p.m. We/Fr/Su | 8:10 p.m. the next day

UA955 | TLV SFO | 12:55 a.m. Tu/Fr/Su | 6 a.m. the same day

Flight times will be 14 hours, 10 minutes eastbound and 15 hours, 5 minutes westbound.

United has served Israel since 1999. The airline currently offers twice-daily Boeing 777 nonstop flights between Tel Aviv and New York/Newark.

San Francisco-Auckland

United's three-times weekly service to Auckland (AKL), New Zealand's largest city and main transportation hub to other points throughout the country, will launch July 1, 2016, with 787-8 aircraft. The schedule will expand to daily flights operating with 787-9 aircraft on Oct. 28, 2016, in time for the peak-winter travel season.

The Auckland flights will operate in partnership with United's Star Alliance partner Air New Zealand.

Flight | From To | Departure | Arrival

UA917 | SFO AKL | 10:45 p.m. | 6:55 a.m. two days later

UA916 | AKL SFO | 1:20 p.m. | 6:40 a.m. the same day

Flight times will be 13 hours, 10 minutes westbound and 12 hours, 20 minutes eastbound.

United in San Francisco

From its San Francisco hub, United operates nearly 280 daily flights to more than 90 destinations in North America, Latin America, Europe and Asia/Pacific.
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Old Jul 16, 2016, 5:13 pm
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Originally Posted by uastarflyer
The UAUA BF is newer design and install than the CO 772. The Dreamliner is newer of course, but with the same older CO design. Smisek should have been designing in Polaris for those instead of focusing on breaking cashews.
Yes many of us have flown both seats many, many times.

2-4-2 plain sucks. Love the sUA seat on the 744 UD, but I avoid the sUA 772 whenever possible. Only time I half-enjoyed a flight in that cabin is when I got 6A, and 6B was blocked the entire flight.
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Old Jul 16, 2016, 9:38 pm
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917 to AKL was oversold on Friday the 15th. About 10 of us got operational upgrades and the last offer I heard them make for volunteers was $800 + hotel + next flight out tomorrow on Air NZ.

I don't get BF frequently (last night was a pleasant exception), but the major benefits to me of the CO style seat is better storage space around and below it, compared to the s-UA version.
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Old Jul 16, 2016, 10:22 pm
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The downgrade isn't the rear facing seats (prefer that anyways) it's that now only 8 people (and in F) get direct aisle access when before it was 16.
Also everyone in J loses out on places to actually put your items to readily access.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 6:27 am
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There was lots of GF saver award availability on the 777 flights yesterday for a couple of hours and then it got pulled. Not sure why since there seemed to be few if any redemptions.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 6:34 am
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There was lots of GF saver award availability on the 777 flights yesterday for a couple of hours and then it got pulled. Not sure why since there seemed to be few if any redemptions.
I checked right after the announcement got posted on Routesonline and couldn't find any
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by belfordrocks
I checked right after the announcement got posted on Routesonline and couldn't find any
I saw lots of options and briefly thought about it but decided to stick with an AA J Award I had booked at the old redemption rate.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 10:01 pm
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This sucks just purchased my second ticket to BF flight to AKL, if I had know would have booked on NZ
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by uastarflyer
With only 36 15yr old design C seats
Originally Posted by uastarflyer
The UAUA BF is newer design and install than the CO 772.
Well, the CO seat was announced 8 years ago next month, and didn't enter service until late 2009, as compared to a July 2007 launch date of United's IPTE product.

Some UA 777s are indeed newer installs than CO, but the respective products are essentially contemporaries.
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764
Some UA 777s are indeed newer installs than CO, but the respective products are essentially contemporaries.
Equally non state of the art!
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 8:45 am
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Equally non state of the art!
No doubt... just trying to avoid passing judgment on what is perpetually a touchy subject...!
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by JVPhoto
The downgrade isn't the rear facing seats (prefer that anyways) it's that now only 8 people (and in F) get direct aisle access when before it was 16.
The UA 772 has 20 aisle seats in C, plus the 8 in F. 5 rows of C with 4 aisle seats each.

More lie flat seats for sale to down under at peak seems like a good move to me...
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 6:30 pm
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Equally non state of the art!
The IPTE IFE UI is way better than the sCO 777 version. Thankfully they leveraged this for the 789.
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 6:44 pm
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The IPTE IFE UI is way better than the sCO 777 version. Thankfully they leveraged this for the 789.
That has nothing to do with the seat design. The sCO 752, 764, and 772 have the oldest software. The 789 has the newest. The 744 has an older version than the 763, sUA 772, or 28 BF ps 752.
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 7:20 pm
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Originally Posted by uastarflyer
The UA 772 has 20 aisle seats in C, plus the 8 in F. 5 rows of C with 4 aisle seats each.

More lie flat seats for sale to down under at peak seems like a good move to me...
I'm talking about seats in J in which you'll neither disturb or be disturbed by someone getting to the aisle. In this case the sUA 777 BF has 0.
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Old Jul 19, 2016, 12:05 pm
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Originally Posted by gcashin
Unfortunately the current BF product on the 772 is probably the worst hard product. I don't believe the 772 refits will be done by then, as I think the new Polaris hard product will only be starting on the new 77W's in December.





Agreed, unfortunately I'd booked on the 789 and it's now switched to a 772. We're now booked in rear-facing seats, and 38/40 seats are selected, so we don't have any options to move. Very annoying.




I also have 2 J seats on 1/5/2017 that I used awards for on the 787-9 that have now been switched to the middle seats on the 772 and I AM pissed. The wife and I would never have used our miles on this product for this flight. I wonder if UA will do anything to compensate us for this change.

I also called in and spoke to a rep about the change. She states that her computer shows that a flight change has NOT taken place and this flight was always scheduled for the 772. I emailed her my itinerary showing her I had seats 1A & 1B reserved (which would be UnitedFirst on the 772 and therefore impossible for me to reserve) and also United's own press release on their website on 7/1/2016 about the inaugural to AKL and the change in the winter to the 789 from the 788 all to no avail. I am beyond frustrated.

Not to mention I don't understand how I can go from having 1A & 1B reserved on the 789 to being placed on 7H & 7G on the 772 with no options for an outside pair of seats. Only United.

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