Outdated planes
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Outdated planes
This was my first ever flight with United. I flew from EWR to CDG in a 767-300. It was probably the most outdated feeling large body plane I've ever been in.
I only go to Europe every few years, and usually just fly with whatever airline is cheapest/most convenient for me.
In the past I have flown with Continental, American, and Air France. The Continental aircraft I was in 8 years ago was more up to date than UA's 767-300. I remember there being a 6-8" touch screen in coach and you could select what you wanted. My recent flight with United had a screen that was the size of a game boy and you could only select channels with movies and shows that had already started.
Has anyone else noticed this? Are all UA Europe flights this outdated?
I only go to Europe every few years, and usually just fly with whatever airline is cheapest/most convenient for me.
In the past I have flown with Continental, American, and Air France. The Continental aircraft I was in 8 years ago was more up to date than UA's 767-300. I remember there being a 6-8" touch screen in coach and you could select what you wanted. My recent flight with United had a screen that was the size of a game boy and you could only select channels with movies and shows that had already started.
Has anyone else noticed this? Are all UA Europe flights this outdated?
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This was my first ever flight with United. I flew from EWR to CDG in a 767-300. It was probably the most outdated feeling large body plane I've ever been in.
I only go to Europe every few years, and usually just fly with whatever airline is cheapest/most convenient for me.
In the past I have flown with Continental, American, and Air France. The Continental aircraft I was in 8 years ago was more up to date than UA's 767-300. I remember there being a 6-8" touch screen in coach and you could select what you wanted. My recent flight with United had a screen that was the size of a game boy and you could only select channels with movies and shows that had already started.
Has anyone else noticed this? Are all UA Europe flights this outdated?
I only go to Europe every few years, and usually just fly with whatever airline is cheapest/most convenient for me.
In the past I have flown with Continental, American, and Air France. The Continental aircraft I was in 8 years ago was more up to date than UA's 767-300. I remember there being a 6-8" touch screen in coach and you could select what you wanted. My recent flight with United had a screen that was the size of a game boy and you could only select channels with movies and shows that had already started.
Has anyone else noticed this? Are all UA Europe flights this outdated?
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I think this neatly encapsulates why airlines won't invest in the Y product. People always buy the cheapest fare, whether they like the product or not. They don't even do any research to find out if there's a significantly better product for only $1 more (UA has plenty of flights to Europe with the features the OP wants). They would not pay $5 more for significantly better food but will pay a multiple of that on BOB or airport fast food outlets. The message is clear.
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Majority of people who fly planes, but may not be a significant majority of those who are on the plane. Case in point - I fly 100 times a year. The average american flys 2x per year. While I represent 0.1% of the public when it comes to flying, I and flyers like me, represent 30%+ of the passengers on a given plane (based on the upgrade lists which are 40 people deep for a 150 seat airliner). Plus, people like me pay higher fares, so we may represent as much as 50% of the revenues on the plane, and if you think about it along those lines, most of the profit.
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Majority of people who fly planes, but may not be a significant majority of those who are on the plane. Case in point - I fly 100 times a year. The average american flys 2x per year. While I represent 0.1% of the public when it comes to flying, I and flyers like me, represent 30%+ of the passengers on a given plane (based on the upgrade lists which are 40 people deep for a 150 seat airliner). Plus, people like me pay higher fares, so we may represent as much as 50% of the revenues on the plane, and if you think about it along those lines, most of the profit.
(And I agree with comments below about the quoted figures - these are essentially made up and don't reflect true airline economics.)
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Plus, people like me pay higher fares, so we may represent as much as 50% of the revenues on the plane, and if you think about it along those lines, most of the profit.
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Would you have rather been on a single aisle sCO 757 which does the TATL market? Divert for a fuel stop and spend an extra night somewhere bc the crew has timed out? UA has pulled several of the sCO 757 out of the TATL market and swapped with the aged sUA 767 so that it will make it across the Atlantic (if the plane doesn't have a MX).
If you think that's bad, you haven't flown to Asia on their 747s!
If you think that's bad, you haven't flown to Asia on their 747s!
It was ridiculous to have such an aircraft on a long haul.
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I think this neatly encapsulates why airlines won't invest in the Y product. People always buy the cheapest fare, whether they like the product or not. They don't even do any research to find out if there's a significantly better product for only $1 more (UA has plenty of flights to Europe with the features the OP wants). .
First, 95%+ have no idea that the plane quality varies within the airline on the same route, and that theres any way in advance to know what it is. When you look up flights on Expedia, it is not like a hotel where it lists the amenities. When people see United at x, AA at x+$10 and Delta at x+$20, theres no differentiation at all on the booking screen aside from trip time.
Second, I know MANY people who will absolutely switch to Jetblue Or Virgin rather than flying United etc if the price is within a reasonable range (maybe $50 price dif for a 5 hour flight).
It helps that those airlines have very consistent products. You know youre getting free TV, and you know youre getting snacks and you know youre getting more room. Youre not gambling on plane type, per-merger, legacy, etc etc
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I think this neatly encapsulates why airlines won't invest in the Y product. People always buy the cheapest fare, whether they like the product or not. They don't even do any research to find out if there's a significantly better product for only $1 more (UA has plenty of flights to Europe with the features the OP wants). They would not pay $5 more for significantly better food but will pay a multiple of that on BOB or airport fast food outlets. The message is clear.
Where is K Mart today and where is Target?
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Try flying the 2 class 777s or 787s. The Business class on those planes feels old and outdated as well! The economy seats feel much less comfortable than on the 3 class 767. They also don't even have GlobalFirst! I prefer the 3 class 767 over either of those planes for comfort in all classes.
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Try flying the 2 class 777s or 787s. The Business class on those planes feels old and outdated as well! The economy seats feel much less comfortable than on the 3 class 767. They also don't even have GlobalFirst! I prefer the 3 class 767 over either of those planes for comfort in all classes.
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Try flying the 2 class 777s or 787s. The Business class on those planes feels old and outdated as well! The economy seats feel much less comfortable than on the 3 class 767. They also don't even have GlobalFirst! I prefer the 3 class 767 over either of those planes for comfort in all classes.
The Y seats on 3-class 763 (which OP is complaining about here) are generally considered the most comfortable Y seats in the UA fleet. Yet some people would apparently prefer a 17.3 inch wide, barely padded slimline seat, so long as there's flashy new touchscreen AVOD.
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This was my first ever flight with United. I flew from EWR to CDG in a 767-300. It was probably the most outdated feeling large body plane I've ever been in.
I only go to Europe every few years, and usually just fly with whatever airline is cheapest/most convenient for me.
In the past I have flown with Continental, American, and Air France. The Continental aircraft I was in 8 years ago was more up to date than UA's 767-300. I remember there being a 6-8" touch screen in coach and you could select what you wanted. My recent flight with United had a screen that was the size of a game boy and you could only select channels with movies and shows that had already started.
Has anyone else noticed this? Are all UA Europe flights this outdated?
I only go to Europe every few years, and usually just fly with whatever airline is cheapest/most convenient for me.
In the past I have flown with Continental, American, and Air France. The Continental aircraft I was in 8 years ago was more up to date than UA's 767-300. I remember there being a 6-8" touch screen in coach and you could select what you wanted. My recent flight with United had a screen that was the size of a game boy and you could only select channels with movies and shows that had already started.
Has anyone else noticed this? Are all UA Europe flights this outdated?
UA 767 > AA 767

