p.s. Operations Transitioning to EWR on October 25, 2015
Jun 20, 2015, 1:25 pm
#781
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Could UA increase its volume to HPN to attract some of those HVFs from southern Connecticut and Westchester? Perhaps more E175s?
Jun 20, 2015, 1:30 pm
#782
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Jun 20, 2015, 1:34 pm
#783
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And no "full service" airline prospers catering to solely to GS--a miniscule percentage of passengers--and Kayakers.
Yet that is COdbaUA's business model.
Aren't there enough RJs already?
Per seat costs are higher on RJs than mainline aircraft. UA needs fewer RJs--not more.
Yet that is COdbaUA's business model.
Per seat costs are higher on RJs than mainline aircraft. UA needs fewer RJs--not more.
Jun 20, 2015, 1:46 pm
#784
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Just booked JFK-SFO on 10/17 and found some R space! A great sendoff to JFK.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:02 pm
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The move to EWR does alienate some pax. United was never going to win with those focused on JFK, particularly with the resurgent AA and Delta and the Mint.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:04 pm
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Now, back on topic with this change, I don't think they took HVF's into consideration who strongly prefer JFK. I predict many will avoid UA from California to NYC as a result of this change.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:18 pm
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Ah - I believe you're thinking that the majority of premium class passengers flying internationally into or out of the New York area are local, when in fact most are non-US passengers like myself. I've never had to take a connecting flight into JFK because, well, JFK has much broader set of international linkages than EWR.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:21 pm
#788
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I'd say that's a pretty apt description of the SQ and EK business model. 10 abreast and/or 5 cpm longhaul fares in the back and fantastic service up front for the high fare premium cabins.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:28 pm
#789
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Other than the new LHR UC and their recent upgrade to F cabin food, I don't think UA has been taking HVF's into consideration in any aspect since the merger.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:36 pm
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Plus most non-US passengers assume that JFK is the only airport in the USA, and certainly the only one that one can fly into from their home country. So the bulk of them don't even look at EWR when flying into the USA. That has nothing to do with access or convenience or price or flight availability, it has to do with simple ignorance.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:44 pm
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I will be flying an AA 2 cabin RJ there in Sept, I look forward to it.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:48 pm
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Well, if you look at the passenger numbers for JFK vs. EWR, foreign visitors prefer JFK over EWR by a huge margin. So maybe they know there are other US airports than JFK, but they clearly prefer JFK.
http://www.transportation.gov/sites/...e%202014_3.pdf
http://www.transportation.gov/sites/...e%202014_3.pdf
Jun 20, 2015, 2:51 pm
#793
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SQ and EK don't abandon major economic centers (e.g., JFK in favor of proprietary secondary airports [EWR]) and do not focus solely on PPS Solitaire members (SQ's equivalent of GS), ignoring everyone else in-between, categorizing them with disdain as "over-entitled elites."
SQ and EK offer a premium product in C and F that passengers are actually willing to pay for. UA instead offers a poor product and instead relies upon captive hubs and corporate contracts, which has resulted in declining PRASM numbers.
Trying to compare UA to SQ and EK is like trying to compare shopping at Walmart to Nordstrom. It is a silly comparison.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:52 pm
#794
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Plus most non-US passengers assume that JFK is the only airport in the USA, and certainly the only one that one can fly into from their home country. So the bulk of them don't even look at EWR when flying into the USA. That has nothing to do with access or convenience or price or flight availability, it has to do with simple ignorance.
Jun 20, 2015, 2:53 pm
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Well, if you look at the passenger numbers for JFK vs. EWR, foreign visitors prefer JFK over EWR by a huge margin. So maybe they know there are other US airports than JFK, but they clearly prefer JFK.
http://www.transportation.gov/sites/...e%202014_3.pdf
http://www.transportation.gov/sites/...e%202014_3.pdf