UA958 Jun 12 '15: MX @ ORD, Diverts to YYR for 2nd MX, Pax Housed @ Military Barracks
#361
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You have forgotten other reasons for diversion:
Diversion for security reasons (e.g. kick the drunk or the suspected terrorist off the flight)
Diversion for medical emergency (though YYT, not that far away has more medical facilities)
WX at destination (though not likely for diversion to YYR)
Planned diversion in order to drop off needed MX crew/parts or relief flight/cabin crews (not that I've seen UA do this)
Planned diversion in order to pickup stranded passengers (e.g. EWR-LHR operated as EWR-YYR-LHR; though again, I've not seen UA do this type of diversion)
Diversion for security reasons (e.g. kick the drunk or the suspected terrorist off the flight)
Diversion for medical emergency (though YYT, not that far away has more medical facilities)
WX at destination (though not likely for diversion to YYR)
Planned diversion in order to drop off needed MX crew/parts or relief flight/cabin crews (not that I've seen UA do this)
Planned diversion in order to pickup stranded passengers (e.g. EWR-LHR operated as EWR-YYR-LHR; though again, I've not seen UA do this type of diversion)
#362
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http://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/n...nce-issue.html
The article also makes two interesting points:
1. United Continental refuses to disclose any information about the root cause or nature of the issue that required the landing, and
2. "But the need to get down quickly may have been a factor in United's decision to land in Goose Bay. The more well-known Gander, Newfoundland, and its international airport, a major refueling stop in the early days of trans-Atlantic travel, are less than 400 miles from where Flight 958 landed in Goose Bay."
The article also makes two interesting points:
1. United Continental refuses to disclose any information about the root cause or nature of the issue that required the landing, and
2. "But the need to get down quickly may have been a factor in United's decision to land in Goose Bay. The more well-known Gander, Newfoundland, and its international airport, a major refueling stop in the early days of trans-Atlantic travel, are less than 400 miles from where Flight 958 landed in Goose Bay."
And Gander isn't much bigger than Goose. They were both major refueling points -- there's a very famous El Al ad from when it got the ability to fly non stop -- "No Goose, no Gander." I've actually been to both, willing to bet the reporter hasn't.
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The response of the Canadians after 9/11 has been referenced a few times ITT. If you have some time, I strongly recommend watching this clip. It aired during the 2010 Olympics. It's quite long, but for anyone interested in commercial aviation (or who just appreciates human decency in the face of tragedy), it's absolutely remarkable (despite the poor quality).
And let us not forget how the Canadian Embassy rescued Americans during the 1979 hostage crisis in Iran. Canada is one hell of an ally.
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This latest UA incident was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. None of our employees were on any of the affected flights, BUT, I don't want to risk it.
I'm in charge of all of our company travel. This also means our employees call ME instead of the airlines for IRROPS and expect ME to fix it for them. I don't have time to do UA's job for them. Literally, the company I work for WILL NOT BE USING UA from this point forward until they get their crap together. All 8 flights I booked today were on DL or AA. Eight flights UA would have received in the past. No more.
I hope the UAL shareholders are listening. BTW, how's that working out for you guys? I'm very happy with my JBLU stock.
I'm in charge of all of our company travel. This also means our employees call ME instead of the airlines for IRROPS and expect ME to fix it for them. I don't have time to do UA's job for them. Literally, the company I work for WILL NOT BE USING UA from this point forward until they get their crap together. All 8 flights I booked today were on DL or AA. Eight flights UA would have received in the past. No more.
I hope the UAL shareholders are listening. BTW, how's that working out for you guys? I'm very happy with my JBLU stock.
#365
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funny part of all this...
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
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funny part of all this...
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
I bet if you call in and make an issue of it, they will give you the PQM. They really should. PQD, I understand. But PQM, well, you really did fly!! And a LOT more distance than 5930 miles!!!!! Also what about lifetime miles for MM? Did they give you that?
United is often incompetent and mismanaged, but I have found the agents (when empowered) are humans like all of us and will understand and do what they can for you. Give it a try.
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I think there's one comment on the "crew stayed at hotel" issue that hasn't yet been made. Hindsight being 20/20, it looks pretty bad now for UA that the crew stayed in better accommodations than the passengers, but it matters at the time what was being planned. If the plan, or one of the possible plans, was to repair that plane and fly it from Canada to LHR, if the crew had not rested legally, they would not have been able to continue the journey. Can you imagine the outcry if UA had failed to plan for this, the plane had been repaired (or checked out ok) and there was no crew available to fly the plane?
I'm not arguing that UA handled this situation well, only pointing out that what's known and not known at the time affects decisions being made. Would be nice for someone at UA to provide some explanation of the events - and an apology - but as time passes....
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funny part of all this...
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
Somewhat OT, but it would be interesting to know if this elevator issue is covered by the Airworthiness Directive the FAA issued on May 7 2013 to all operators of 767 ac.
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You would think UA could have had their Star Alliance partner AC help them out.
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funny part of all this...
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
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funny part of all this...
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
because united refunded that leg, we got 0 PQM. the 5,930 PQMs that should have posted from this flight would have put me at 1k this year
also, cost me 13,424 award miles. just laughable they refunded only that leg, didn't award miles for that leg, then offered a crap 25k "apology" for all that inconvenience.
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- The PAX should have been given food by UA - not the Canadian Military.
- The PAX should have been given updates on what is going on (every hour) by UA. Either by the crew (who stayed at a hotel), or by Air Canada Rouge (owned by AC) who serve that airport and are part of Star Alliance. Even through Rouge is not directly part of the Star Alliance they are owned by AC.
- This entire event was a huge FAIL on UA.
#375
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As it is, UA certainly did provide the food in that Canadian Forces/les Forces canadiennes are surely to bill UA for it.
So UA should have potentially ignored federal regulations -- be they DOT or DOL regulations -- by discounting both safety rules and its contracted word to labor?