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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 4:45 pm
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On one hand, I really like the configuration of the EMB 1xx series.
On the other hand, I feel better with a mainline pilot.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 4:50 pm
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Why are Air Canada and Jet Blue unhappy? I dislike the E-Series as they are extremely unstable.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
I dislike the E-Series as they are extremely unstable.
If they were unstable, they would never have earned FAA certification.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
Why are Air Canada and Jet Blue unhappy? I dislike the E-Series as they are extremely unstable.
Define unstable? Surely you don't mean the ride is not as nice as an E145?
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 7:56 pm
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Originally Posted by channa
Superior in comfort to the CRJs? From a comfort perspective, they may be equivalent, if not superior in comfort to mainline.

I'll take an E-175 vs. a slimlined A319/320 any day.
Definately. The seats are way more comfortable on a 175 than the slimlines, though on the face of it they similar in construction? The 175 seat (I've had only 3-4 flights in the last 300) that I had a month ago was nice.

145s or even 700s over three hour flights is actually one of the stress positions from the CIA that was made illegal.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 7:58 pm
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CSeries plz!!!

IMHO they look so much sexier
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 8:12 pm
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Originally Posted by PushingTin
Definately. The seats are way more comfortable on a 175 than the slimlines, though on the face of it they similar in construction? The 175 seat (I've had only 3-4 flights in the last 300) that I had a month ago was nice.
A 175 in a 76-seat config is comfortable. UAX has 175s in a 76-seat config because that's the max allowed for regional carrier ops. One can note that there are major elements of the RJ contract that follow DL 6/2012 pretty closely, including the 'add a new mainline type for more 76-seat RJs' feature.

A 175 in a 76-seat config is comfortable. We don't know how many seats UA might want to cram into a 190 or 90-E2, slimlines or worse. It might well wind up with fewer F seats than today's 175. AA is receiving A319s with just 8F.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 8:35 pm
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
Why are Air Canada and Jet Blue unhappy? I dislike the E-Series as they are extremely unstable.
the E175 are turning into Air Canada ROUGE a SUPER LOW discount airline.

the E190 are being dumped for 737's.
Hey nobody has ever said Air Canada management is bright.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 9:40 pm
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
If they were unstable, they would never have earned FAA certification.
Pilots have told me the 190 is awful in turbulence. Bad!

It's also being dumped by 2 North American airlines. Its a bad decision.

Originally Posted by why fly
the E175 are turning into Air Canada ROUGE a SUPER LOW discount airline.

the E190 are being dumped for 737's.
Hey nobody has ever said Air Canada management is bright.
UA should just get more 737's or 319, 320's. No reason to add the awful 190 or as they call it 180.

The 190 is junk!

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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 10:06 pm
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
.... The 190 is junk!
It appears the investigation is focused on the 190-E2, not the 190. I have no knowledge about either but the article points out a couple key differences.
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
If they were unstable, they would never have earned FAA certification.
They have a harder time in cold weather stations. They are finicky in the winter, and their APUs are routinely started early on STAR flights.
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 7:21 am
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Part of what makes the E190/E-Series comfortable is that Embraer designed it to be 18.5" seats in a 2x2 configuration, and the fuselage isn't wide enough to add another seat. Aside from adding more rows of seats, I don't think UA could do much else to chip away at comfort if they were to buy the E190 for mainline.

It's really a smart design. The A350 was also supposedly designed in the same way.
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
It appears the investigation is focused on the 190-E2, not the 190. I have no knowledge about either but the article points out a couple key differences.
Completely anecdotal, but I remember B6 struggling mightily when they first brought the E190 online. Lots of operational issues getting that plane functional - it really drove down their dispatch numbers as I recall.

Comparing that vs. the E175 on UX which seems to be pretty smooth (as UX goes, anyway.)

I really enjoy flying the E175... Even the E170. Both are plenty comfy and honestly, I'm having a great time with my CPU's on them this year.
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 9:26 am
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The E2 has the new Pratt & Whitney PurePower geared turbofan which allows the fan to run at a lower RPM than the low-pressure turbine, driving greater efficiency and reduced noise. It's not new technology per se, but it is the largest GTF designed for a commercial jet, so there is some risk that the engine may not be delivered on time or perform up to spec.
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