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Old Jun 7, 2015 | 10:42 pm
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UA looking at the E190-E2

No surprise at all. United is looking at the E190-E2 by replacement of 50-seater regional jet.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ctions-413119/

Let the speculation begin.
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Old Jun 7, 2015 | 11:29 pm
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So its the pilots that are making me ride take 4 four hour rides in 145s? I always knew that there was a relationship between smaller planes and the union. I'm glad I could make busy work for them. Couldn't we just had had a pilot ride dead-head on 175s to keep the jobs program going and we'd all be happier.

I just want more 175. 170s are OK, but 319 are even worse to me with 3x3 and no real chance of upgrades.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by PushingTin
So its the pilots that are making me ride take 4 four hour rides in 145s? I always knew that there was a relationship between smaller planes and the union. I'm glad I could make busy work for them. Couldn't we just had had a pilot ride dead-head on 175s to keep the jobs program going and we'd all be happier.

I just want more 175. 170s are OK, but 319 are even worse to me with 3x3 and no real chance of upgrades.
Pilots aren't "making" anyone do anything. UA and the pilots union agreed to these negotiated terms.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by physioprof
Pilots aren't "making" anyone do anything. UA and the pilots union agreed to these negotiated terms.
Yep.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how replacing 145's and 200's with bigger planes is anything but good news. E-190's feel almost like mainline planes. And I'd take a 319 over the 50-seaters any day.

I have a feeling this is just like the A380 thread though. Rainey says they're looking at them, but not really looking at them. The only thing in favor of this rumor is that UA has committed to retiring/replacing the smaller planes with bigger ones, so maybe...
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by JBord
I have a feeling this is just like the A380 thread though. Rainey says they're looking at them, but not really looking at them. The only thing in favor of this rumor is that UA has committed to retiring/replacing the smaller planes with bigger ones, so maybe...
This is a slightly different scenario, as United's long-term UAX strategy includes more 70/76-seaters than are currently on order, but they can't exceed the 2016 cap of 255 frames unless a new small narrowbody is brought on property (additional 737/A32X do not count). So, it is assured that United will be adding a new type, but the question is which. The two realistic options are the E-Jets or C-Series.

The original E190 is widely considered to be underwhelming from an operational standpoint, even though it hits a sweet spot in terms of capacity/range/comfort. For the right price it is an intriguing possibility.

On paper, the best airplane in the category is going to be the Bombardier C-Series, but there are some questions about the P&W Geared Turbofan engine and whether Bombardier can deliver the airplanes up to spec. After the 787, UA is proceeding very carefully with new aircraft/engine technology.

The E2 brings the same engine as the CS, and is considered a 'safer' alternative as it is based on the proven E-Jets. However, projections are that the C-Series will best the E2 operating costs, so it remains to be seen which direction UA will go.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 11:54 am
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I agree with what is posted above. I also think that this is very different from the A380 thread because that was merely an airliners.net "rumor" that was reposted here, and to which Rainey eventually commented and basically said that of course they've looked at it but that it would never really work for UA.

This is different because this is originating straight from Rainey, and it's already been reported that UA is looking to acquire more mainline aircraft.
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If it puts me in more 170/175's and less 145's, I'm all in favor and couldn't be happier.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 12:01 pm
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Smile "E-190 hits the sweet spot for comfort" - Indeed

Two by two seating with more headroom than the 50 seater.

If I'm sitting in coach, that's my choice of aircraft for a short or medium haul.
Better than the larger Boeing or Airbus 3x3's.

So long as the pitch is 30 or greater, that is^.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 12:35 pm
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The trend will continue for airlines to increase the size of the aircraft for the indefinite future; the regional airlines cannot find the pilots to fly the aircraft and will not for a long time.

The new ATP minimums, career/income stagnation for the last decade, and finally the massive amount of retirements has created a huge shortage of qualified pilot applicants.
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"In some of those [former 50-seater] markets the flying will go away all together, in some of those markets we will backfill it with mainline flying..."

So, reductions in cities served?
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Originally Posted by PushingTin
So its the pilots that are making me ride take 4 four hour rides in 145s?
Not at all.

I'm fairly certain that the UAL pilots would gladly fly all planes as mainline, so long as they could work out contract terms with the company.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by milepig
"In some of those [former 50-seater] markets the flying will go away all together, in some of those markets we will backfill it with mainline flying..."
It looks like they will use the fleet changes as an excuse to prune the network.
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Originally Posted by milepig
"In some of those [former 50-seater] markets the flying will go away all together, in some of those markets we will backfill it with mainline flying..."

So, reductions in cities served?
We already saw it with the E120 retirements, so I'm sure UA will drop a few more stations at this tier as well. Optimistically, market reductions could also mean feeding certain outstations from one hub instead of two or more. Less convenient for sure, but you can drop a market without abandoning the station entirely.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 1:54 pm
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I like the addition of the E-Jets. I find them to be superior in comfort to the CRJs.

So any addition is a good thing, if United can get more 175's by tossing the 190 bone to mainline pilots, then its a win-win-win.

Lots of carping around here regarding the 50/37 seaters, as far as I'm concerned, they should be used to support markets that can only support small jets , and not to pump up frequent service to larger/midsize markets, particularly from congested airports like EWR, LGA, and ORD.
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Old Jun 8, 2015 | 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by entropy
I like the addition of the E-Jets. I find them to be superior in comfort to the CRJs.
Superior in comfort to the CRJs? From a comfort perspective, they may be equivalent, if not superior in comfort to mainline.

I'll take an E-175 vs. a slimlined A319/320 any day.
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