Originally Posted by Owenc
(Post 24106207)
Well that is a little different as the plane only has 30 or so people on board..
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(Post 24106195)
You also need to look at the wind effect.
The BFS delay seem to be more than just a jetstream issue but a problem at EWR as it was arriving. Based on past history that was a anomaly and probably should not be of general concern. The regular fuel stop issue for UA is the Northern European cities I'm also wondering how they are picking the NATs for the 752s. |
No room at the inn...
Originally Posted by milepig
(Post 24105831)
My guess is that UA figured out that on-time is good enough and they're slowing planes down to conserve fuel rather than going full throttle and arriving early.
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It seems that from UA65, they were taking a southern track via Santa Maria Oceanic and about 2/3 across the Atlantic and then switched destinations to BGR. This could be very well attributable to slot control as UA operations could send a message via CPDLC to get a re-clearance if they didn't have a place to put UA65 when it got to EWR.
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Crossing my fingers, I've not been on one of these diverted flights. If truly pre-planned, when do they inform the pax? At the gate before departure, upon takeoff during the normal pilot announcements, or later?
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Originally Posted by milepig
(Post 24105831)
My guess is that UA figured out that on-time is good enough and they're slowing planes down to conserve fuel rather than going full throttle and arriving early.
I do not ever remember arriving early like in FRA and docking at a gate. Typically it's waiting after leaving then runway and eventually parking at an off-tarmac positions with climbing stairs planeside and bus rides. Inconvenient & time-consuming exercises in and itself, often pulverising the early arrival advantage, and worse - resulting in delays reaching terminals/connecting flights. |
Originally Posted by Owenc
(Post 24105716)
Is there even anything at goosebay lol?
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Originally Posted by milepig
(Post 24106451)
Crossing my fingers, I've not been on one of these diverted flights. If truly pre-planned, when do they inform the pax? At the gate before departure, upon takeoff during the normal pilot announcements, or later?
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Originally Posted by fgirard
(Post 24106376)
It seems that from UA65, they were taking a southern track via Santa Maria Oceanic and about 2/3 across the Atlantic and then switched destinations to BGR. This could be very well attributable to slot control as UA operations could send a message via CPDLC to get a re-clearance if they didn't have a place to put UA65 when it got to EWR.
http://i.imgur.com/JmkYRB8l.png Longer Europe/US flights are "re-dispatched" at an enroute point. You are planned to have X amount of fuel at a given point based on the forecasted winds prior to takeoff. Once you get to that designated point if you have more than the required gas you continue to EWR, if not you stop for gas. You only know how much gas you'll have when you get there, thus the enroute diversion, like your example. I've been flying these Atlantic 756 routes exclusively for almost 6 years now. Diverted 4 times for fuel. |
Originally Posted by clubord
(Post 24106957)
Has nothing to do with slot control.
Longer Europe/US flights are "re-dispatched" at an enroute point. You are planned to have X amount of fuel at a given point based on the forecasted winds prior to takeoff. Once you get to that designated point if you have more than the required gas you continue to EWR, if not you stop for gas. You only know how much gas you'll have when you get there, thus the enroute diversion, like your example. I've been flying these Atlantic 756 routes exclusively for almost 6 years now. Diverted 4 times for fuel. |
Originally Posted by Owenc
(Post 24106989)
Are you a United captain?
Currently First Officer on 757/767. |
alright ok so you are the one with the experience then.
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(Post 24105871)
+1 and offseting the higher fuel usage of the ex-Europe flights.
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1/5 ua0055 cdg > ewr
Diverted to BGR, delayed departure, crew timed out. Still there this morning. Today's flight is scheduled to be diverted to BGR, too.
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Originally Posted by nwff
(Post 24110434)
Diverted to BGR, delayed departure, crew timed out. Still there this morning. Today's flight is scheduled to be diverted to BGR, too.
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1/6 diversions that I found:
UA123 (LHR-IAD) to BGR (also 3 hours late out of LHR) UA63 (MAD-EWR) to BGR (departed 45 mins late from MAD) UA65 (LIS-EWR) to YQX (departed 2hr 20 mins late from LIS) As mentioned above UA55 is also headed to BGR and left CDG around 50 mins late |
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