Originally Posted by LASUA1K
(Post 24101112)
Not for fuel
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL121 Jan.2 Bangor Jan.3 Bangor Jan.4 Gander Today's stop looked planned from when the flight took off US799 AMS-PHL, US751 BRU-PHL, AA211 MAN-JFK, AA55 MAN-ORD also made a visit to Gander today (and some on multiple days recently), so its hardly a unique United issue with TATL 757s |
Originally Posted by Owenc
(Post 24101281)
....What weather?
Compare these to the flight paths -- typical Dec/Jan patterns Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts |
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(Post 24101304)
High altitude winds, jet stream related
Compare these to the flight paths -- typical Dec/Jan patterns Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts |
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(Post 24101304)
High altitude winds, jet stream related
:confused: Compare these to the flight paths -- typical Dec/Jan patterns Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts |
Originally Posted by Owenc
(Post 24101354)
But its only 3100 miles and heathrow made it. This is the first time i've seen a flight from Ireland divert for fuel.
While the winter jetstream and high altitude winds certainly is a huge factor, destination airport weather also plays a large part into the equation. In the case of UA76 BFS-EWR today 1/4, it looks like they tried for EWR, were put into a hold (did one racetrack loop), and made the decision to divert to ALB because they were probably told by ATC that it would be a while due to the poor EWR weather. |
Thanks, so really it diverted because of the weather and not the winds.
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Originally Posted by Owenc
(Post 24101615)
Thanks, so really it diverted because of the weather and not the winds.
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I was in Berlin just before christmas and was told by a 1K agent that they were going to be putting a 767 on the TXL-EWR route because of the diversions (didn't say when). TXL is one of the longer routes, I think. I'm not sure his information was credible.
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What's the reason? Strong headwinds?
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Originally Posted by skipmnyc
(Post 24101753)
I was in Berlin just before christmas and was told by a 1K agent that they were going to be putting a 767 on the TXL-EWR route because of the diversions (didn't say when). TXL is one of the longer routes, I think. I'm not sure his information was credible.
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Originally Posted by cpyankees25
(Post 24101698)
"Weather" is inclusive of winds. You mean the winds aloft over the North Atlantic? Correct, it looks like BFS-EWR diverted due to EWR weather. Visibility was low most of the day. Winds in the NYC area weren't too bad though.
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Originally Posted by cpyankees25
(Post 24101864)
EWR-TXL on the 767-300 is planned only for July this year, and is due to summer demand.
The 763 is a summer demand change. Will be interesting to see if it stays that way as demand dwindles in the colder months. |
Originally Posted by fivesixseven
(Post 24095663)
HAM maybe not, but i.e. AMS or perhaps TXL mustn't be that big of a problem for the 2 class version of the 767. After all, isn't that just a matter of marketing your product better (or offering a better - more competitive (inflight) - product)?
You're still dumping more capacity onto the market when demand is low (during the winter season). With an unchanged demand curve, price falls :) As far as stimulating demand goes ("offering a better - more competitive (inflight) - product"), just ask American how their More Room Throughout Coach experiment went. Most consumers are not willing to pay more for what they perceive as a heavily commoditized product. |
1/5 again has a plethora of diversions:
UA55 (CDG-EWR) UA69 (ARN-EWR) UA75 (HAM-EWR) UA121 (BCN-EWR) UA125 (TXL-EWR) Other longer 757 flights like UA39 (OSL-EWR) and UA63 (MAD-EWR) are going nonstop today as of now... btw: Yesterday's (1/4) UA125 took a 2:50 delay at Gander due to "aircraft refueling difficulties" after only 50 minutes the day before. Greetings - Dirk |
Originally Posted by fivesixseven
(Post 24095663)
After all, isn't that just a matter of marketing your product better (or offering a better - more competitive (inflight) - product)?
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